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Posted on 4/9/26 at 6:42 pm to captdalton
Posted on 4/9/26 at 6:42 pm to captdalton
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I am not saying it did not happen. But I don’t believe with absolute certainty it did like many of you. I am simply a skeptic.
Serious question. Do you think the earth is flat?
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 7:23 pm to D3Fan
No, of course not.
I have a question for you. Do you believe the JFK assassination happened exactly as they say? A lone shooter who was just mad about something?
I have a question for you. Do you believe the JFK assassination happened exactly as they say? A lone shooter who was just mad about something?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 8:41 pm to captdalton
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But I don’t believe with absolute certainty it did like many of you. I am simply a skeptic.
There it is.
Conspiracy theorists, in general, like to feel different and "more intelligent" by believing contrarian views.
It all comes down to pride, at the end.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 8:47 pm to captdalton
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More and more people question aspects of the lunar landings, especially the actual video.
Well, yeah. Common sense is quickly evacuating this country with quickness.
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The Buzz Aldrin interview with Conan O’Brien certainly contributed to that.
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But what would Buzz Aldrin know about it.
He's talking about people who say "I watched you land on the Moon." He took the "landing" part literally, this has all been explained years ago.
Any "landing" footage from the original broadcast was animation, there was no way to film the LM landing.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 6:38 am to coachcrisp
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Do you have ANY idea what it takes to achieve such an honor as Rhodes Scholar finalist?
It doesn't really matter. Here's my take:
You can be extremely intelligent / genius and still be stupid and/or make stupid decisions/comments. I've known several of them over the years.
There's a scale, on one side, book smarts, on the other, common sense. The more you have of one, the less of the other. This applies to almost everyone. Rarely have I ever seen someone with all of both. I'd like to think many people are somewhere in the middle with both, or 60-40 in either direction.
I know people who can ace tests, but can't apply it in real life, and others who fail the tests, but can apply it with ease.
Look at the most intelligent people out there, super smart, but weird and have no social skills. Then you have people that can't do well in school or grasp simple concepts, but are super "street smart" and can read people or situations better than most.
Of course there are some that have neither (sad to see) and some that have all or most of both (extremely rare).
Posted on 4/10/26 at 6:55 am to captdalton
quote:Has he ever come off as intelligent to you?
Greg McElroy was a Rhodes Scholar finalist.
I have never once been impressed with an observation or idea of his.
Seems like he’s just an over educated try hard.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:08 am to captdalton
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I have questions about whether we actually were able to walk on the moon and then safely make it back to Earth. And I certainly don’t believe every photo and piece of video presented is 100% legitimate.
I do believe we landed on the moon as well, but I agree with you that it also doesn't mean we shouldn't question it or anything the government does.
Without conspiracy theories, investigations don't always happen, questions don't get answered, truths don't come to light.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:09 am to captdalton
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Because unlike landing on the moon and leaving a lander or probe there as is done with unmanned ones, we had to take off from the moon and navigate back to earth safely.
And yet many countries have done that. Albeit with empty rockets, but humans add weight, nothing more, nothing less. Well, they add the ability to adjust and take control. Tell me why having humans on board makes everything so much more difficult. The only thing a human adds is weight. Obviously it is dangerous, but it is always dangerous when you go into space. Ask the Apollo 13 astronauts. Bu being a manned space ship does not make it suddenly more likely to fail. We had already gone into space many, many times.
quote:True, but when a new thing is happening there are always glitches, failures etc. When they started doing heart transplants there were many failures along the way. People died on the operating table. People died after a few weeks of the operation. Some people still die a short time after surgery, but I also knew a man that lived 15-20 years afterwards, and even then died from cancer...yet some people still die shortly after having the transplant. Mind you...I'm not talking heart surgery...I'm talking heart transplant.
Yet we have had many issues taking off from Earth. The Apollo launch pad accident, the Challenger disaster, multiple launch scrubs for technical issues. That is despite the fact that they have the ability to test things in Earth’s atmosphere. And we have launch facilities. And thousands of on hand ground support. Still, with all that we struggled. Yet we were successfully able to take off from the moon and return to Earth safely with none of that six out of six tries.
quote:Fair enough. Everybody has doubts about things.
I am not saying it did not happen. But I don’t believe with absolute certainty it did like many of you. I am simply a skeptic.
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The desire to beat me into submission in this thread is strange.
Beat you into submission? I mean, can you honestly say that if somebody came to you and said they didn't believe Nick Saban was not a great coach, you wouldn't roll your eyes and either argue or dismiss them completely? We all argue endlessly on here about stuff all the time. 
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FTR, for me it is harder for me to believe we made it to the moon in 1969, than it is we got there and we walked on it. The tricky part is not walking on the moon...it's getting there in the first place. (I do believe we got there and also walked on it.)
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 7:13 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:37 am to SidewalkTiger
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Conspiracy theorists, in general, like to feel different and "more intelligent" by believing contrarian views.
That is the same reason why people are beating the hell out of me for saying I don’t know. You and others here want to feel smarter and superior to those “crazy conspiracy theorists.” Why do people who believe every bit of the official government provided narrative feel compelled to call those who don’t believe exactly like them idiot, stupid, retard, and flat earther?
And I am not even a moon landing denier, simply a moon walk I don’t knower. Do you label everyone who has doubts about the Kennedy assassination as a conspiracy theorist?
You earlier asked for a list of reasons why I would question some parts of the Apollo mission’s official narrative. I gave you a laundry list. Some you picked apart, the ones you couldn’t you simply ignored. Here is another for you.
Why do you think the former head of the Russian space agency stated publicly he doesn’t believe the moon landing happened like we have been told?
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Dmitry Rogozin, the former head of the Russian space agency Roscosmos (2018–2022), has repeatedly expressed doubts about the authenticity of the US Apollo moon landings, claiming in 2023 that he found no evidence of them during his tenure. These statements reflect common, persistent conspiracy theories in Russia rather than official, evidence-based positions of the Russian scientific community.
Key details regarding this situation include:
Doubts Raised: Rogozin stated on social media in May 2023 that he tried to obtain evidence of the US moon landings (1969–1972) but was unsatisfied, questioning how the US achieved it with 1960s technology.
Previous Comments: In 2018, Rogozin jokingly said a future Russian mission would fly to the moon to "verify" if the Americans were there.
Scientific Backing: Contrary to Rogozin, current Roscosmos head Yury Borisov and various Russian scientists have acknowledged that Soviet scientists analyzed lunar soil samples provided by the U.S. and confirmed they were from the Moon.
Context: The Russian public has shown high levels of doubt, with a 2020 poll revealing nearly half of respondents were skeptical of the moon landings. Failed Missions: The remarks come against a backdrop of competition, where Russia’s own lunar program suffered a setback with the failure of the Luna-25 mission in 2023.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:55 am to DawgsLife
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And yet many countries have done that.
Only the US, Russia (1966), and China (2000) have landed a vehicle on the moon and returned it to Earth. Only the U.S. has landed humans.
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Albeit with empty rockets, but humans add weight, nothing more, nothing less. Well, they add the ability to adjust and take control. Tell me why having humans on board makes everything so much more difficult. The only thing a human adds is weight.
If that is true, that humans only add a little weight, then why have China and Russian not done it? It would bring them a ton of national pride. And the ability to waive it in the face of the U.S. that they can do it too. Yet they haven’t. If it really is as simple as adding a little weight, then why haven’t Russia and China done it?
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 8:53 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:00 am to captdalton
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despite being exponentially more technically advanced than we were in 1969.
Emphasis can overcome a lot. It was seen as a hell of a lot more important to land on the Moon in the ‘60s than it is now.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:38 am to Globetrotter747
Russia was beating the US in the space race. They were the first into space and the first to land on the moon. They achieved the first hard landing in 1959 and the first soft landing in 1966.
If putting a human onboard was so simple, I find it strange they didn’t do it.
If putting a human onboard was so simple, I find it strange they didn’t do it.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:44 am to captdalton
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That is the same reason why people are beating the hell out of me for saying I don’t know. You and others here want to feel smarter and superior to those “crazy conspiracy theorists.” Why do people who believe every bit of the official government provided narrative feel compelled to call those who don’t believe exactly like them idiot, stupid, retard, and flat earther?
I think it's fine to question things when they deserve to be questioned.
The Moon landing is one of the worst conspiracy theories out there though.
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Some you picked apart, the ones you couldn’t you simply ignored.
Such as what specifically?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:00 am to captdalton
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Do you believe the JFK assassination happened exactly as they say? A lone shooter who was just mad about something?
No one has proven anything different.
My biggest question isn't could Oswald have done it. It's been proven in recreations from Cronkite's eighties documentary to the Myth Busters this century that everything could've happened with Oswald shooting from the school book depository.
The Ruby getting to him and killing him seems a little weird. That said, most if not all the conspirators' proof has been proven either false or even more far fetched than Oswald as the lone shooter.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:06 am to captdalton
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Russia was beating the US in the space race. They were the first into space and the first to land on the moon. They achieved the first hard landing in 1959 and the first soft landing in 1966.
If putting a human onboard was so simple, I find it strange they didn’t do it.
This was explained at the time. Didn't have the rocket technology to put a craft that could get humans there safely and back. Tried but their rockets failed in testing for what they were trying to do.
Also, didn't have as much money to put into it as the Americans did.
There are people who still try to say Churchill was the bad guy in WWII. You can find books tthat will convince you of it....if you don't bother to read the literally tons of actual history that contradict it.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:06 am to SidewalkTiger
Well, you have not answered why the former head of the Russian space program publicly and repeatedly said he does not believe it. He has stated he has not seen proof that Americans walked on the moon, despite searching for the proof. Why do you think this is?
And you haven’t answered why Russia, despite beating us to the moon - in 1959 with a crash landing unmanned vehicle- and putting a man into space before us - Yuri Gagarin in 1961 - and safely landing a vehicle on the moon before us - Luna 9 in 1966- just decided not to put a man on the moon.
Many that question the moon landing question the timing of it. John Kennedy stated we would land a man on the moon before 1970.
We just made it with a few months to spare on July 20, 1969.
The entire space race timeline is enough to raise some eyebrows. Combined with those who say it didn’t happen - both Russians and Americans who were involved in their space programs, it certainly could lead someone to ask questions. It doesn’t help that the government lied about so many other things in the 1960’s.
And you haven’t answered why Russia, despite beating us to the moon - in 1959 with a crash landing unmanned vehicle- and putting a man into space before us - Yuri Gagarin in 1961 - and safely landing a vehicle on the moon before us - Luna 9 in 1966- just decided not to put a man on the moon.
Many that question the moon landing question the timing of it. John Kennedy stated we would land a man on the moon before 1970.
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President John F. Kennedy famously declared the U.S. goal to land a man on the Moon and return him safely to Earth before 1970. In his September 12, 1962, speech at Rice University, he announced, "We choose to go to the Moon in this decade... not because they are easy, but because they are hard".
We just made it with a few months to spare on July 20, 1969.
The entire space race timeline is enough to raise some eyebrows. Combined with those who say it didn’t happen - both Russians and Americans who were involved in their space programs, it certainly could lead someone to ask questions. It doesn’t help that the government lied about so many other things in the 1960’s.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:10 am to koreandawg
So you do believe the JFK lone gunman narrative.
I bet you believe that OJ was innocent and Anna Nicole Smith married for love.
I bet you believe that OJ was innocent and Anna Nicole Smith married for love.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:12 am to captdalton
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So you do believe the JFK lone gunman narrative.
I bet you believe that OJ was innocent and Anna Nicole Smith married for love.
I would say what you believe is more like believing OJ is innocent.
Anna Nicole Smith? I think she was in Playboy at one time, right? I never knew much about her.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:15 am to koreandawg
The official narrative on OJ is that he was not guilty. That was what the criminal court found.
Do you call people that think he did it conspiracy theorists too? If you are consistent you should.
Do you call people that think he did it conspiracy theorists too? If you are consistent you should.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:21 am to captdalton
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The official narrative on OJ is that he was not guilty. That was what the criminal court found.
No. That's what a group of 12 conspiracy theorists that had an agenda wanted to believe.
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