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re: Matt Leinart settles debate of best team ever
Posted on 8/12/23 at 7:47 pm to Big EZ Tiger
Posted on 8/12/23 at 7:47 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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I mean, considering that their 3-year record was 36-1 after they destroyed one of the best UF teams of all time to clinch back-to-back NCs
Is anyone going to confuse the 1995 Florida defense with prime OU, FSU, and Miami?
Selmon bros., Tony Casillas, Brian Bosworth, Russell Maryland, Cortez Kennedy, Deion Sanders, Michael Barrow, Jesse Armstead, Darrin Smith, Marvin Jones, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis, Warren Sapp, Jonathon Vilma, D.J. Williams. Vince Wilfork, Ed Reed.
Those are the type of players who caused Osborne to be 5-12 against Switzer and have a 7 game (damn near 8 game) losing streak in bowl games from 1987-1993.
1995 Florida did not have a defensive player anywhere close to the players mentioned above. Nebraska struggled against teams with NFL ready talent on D, not Kansas and soft arse teams with an offensive head coach who cared nothing about the other side of the ball.
If all of Osborne’s teams had faced a rock bottom OU and played a bowl game against nothing better than a 3rd round pick on D, he would have won more championships.
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The 95 team was just a great team that ran the option to perfection.
Yeah, Nebraska and Oklahoma dominated the Big 8 running the I and Wishbone, but they were a combined 1-7 against Miami from 1983-01 and there’s a reason for that.
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Posted on 8/12/23 at 7:51 pm to Globetrotter747
That's nice and all, but 1995 Nebraska didn't play Miami.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 7:54 pm to BigNastyTiger417
But again, what does that mean comparatively? There's no way of knowing how the ranked teams LSU beat would have stacked up against ranked teams beat by UGA or Bama or other NC teams. What if Oregon or Ohio St, 2 highly ranked teams that UGA beat last year, would have prison-raped all of the ranked teams that LSU beat? There's no way of ever knowing. It's a useless argument. The only way it could ever be determined is for all of the NC teams to play each other, and that can't happen.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 7:55 pm to Globetrotter747
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Globetrotter747
You keep on bringing up shite that doesn't matter in these threads. How 1992 Nebraska fared against 1992 Florida State or how 1987 Oklahoma fared against 1987 Miami is irrelevant.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 8:29 pm to Globetrotter747
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1995 Florida did not have a defensive player anywhere close to the players mentioned above. Nebraska struggled against teams with NFL ready talent on D, not Kansas and soft arse teams with an offensive head coach who cared nothing about the other side of the ball
Haha - ok, UF didn't have a star-studded D, but they didn't have a scrub D. They managed to hold a top 5 FSU team to 24 (their lowest point total that season) and beat them by double digits. And again, Nebraska beat Miami the year before to win the NC since you keep mentioning that they didn't have to face a team with a strong D-linemen like Miami, etc.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 10:00 pm to Tuscaloosa
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In fact, the only team we faced with more than one starter out was LSU, IIRC. SummerOfGeorge did a whole breakdown of this myth.
Your statement may be true, however it would qualify as “moving the goalposts”.
1. I’m assuming your reference is to a post which researched starting players missing individual games against Bama in 2020 due to Covid. The assertion, which sounds similar to your referenced observation, is that many of the opposition’s star players opted out of the season entirely. This would not qualify for the previously stated parameters. However, this is not the smoking gun.
2. Teams did not receive the traditional spring training and fall camps. Additionally, Covid guidelines affected teams’ abilities to properly prepare for games. We saw the affect of this on offensive and defensive statistics nationwide. Offenses ran rampant while defenses were unable from preventing a wet ball from rolling uphill unaided. Broken plays abounded. This is why I argue that an asterisk belongs next to offensive records broken in the 2020 season—to clarify, not Bama’s statistics but college football as a whole. Bama was of course an offensive juggernaut and benefitted from this lack of defensive opposition.
On an even playing field, 2020 Bama still wins the national championship by a comfortable margin, but I don’t think the numbers would be as eye popping as they seem. Removed from individual situations, and assuming health, the 2011 and 2019 Bama squads are arguably much stronger candidates for an all-time list.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 10:18 pm to Tiger2TheBone
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Your statement may be true
It isn't, he completely made it up.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 10:37 pm to Tuscaloosa
Offense, Defense, Special Teams, Coaching, ….. doesn’t make a difference. 2019 is the best College Football Team in History. If you don’t like FACTS, be a politician.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 10:52 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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Offense, Defense, Special Teams, Coaching, ….. doesn’t make a difference. 2019 is the best College Football Team in History. If you don’t like FACTS, be a politician.
BigNastyRetard doesn’t think Defense matters in this conversation.
I, for one, am shocked.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 11:39 pm to RollTide1987
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You keep on bringing up shite that doesn't matter in these threads. How 1992 Nebraska fared against 1992 Florida State or how 1987 Oklahoma fared against 1987 Miami is irrelevant.
The point is Nebraska’s I formation teams struggled against NFL ready talent.
If your secondary can’t cover for shite but every team you play runs two TE Power-I, that weakness really doesn’t matter, does it? But if you’re playing a team that slings it around with a Dan Marino clone, then you’re in deep shite.
Osborne struggled against Switzer, Miami, and FSU not because he didn’t have good teams at the time but because those teams could stop his running game because they knew his scheme inside out and they had physical front players that he couldn’t just run over.
In 1995, they did not face the kind of physical defense that gave them trouble.
I can tell you this….
1995 Nebraska’s WR’s were Reggie Baul and Clester Johnson. Neither of those guys were even all Big 8 in 1995. Neither was drafted. Johnson was the leading WR with 367 yards on the YEAR. They are not stretching the field on an elite D.
None of 1995 Nebraska’s OL were first team All-American. None went higher than the 3rd round.
Tommie Frazier accounted for a colossal 2,200 yards as a senior.
Lawrence Phillips was mentally unstable and devoid of character, and I wouldn’t have trusted him to bag fries. That’s a guy you want to depend on when a physical D starts to pound your RB, every yard is tough, and there’s adversity to overcome?
shite.
But I know! I know! It’s 1995 Nebraska and they beat the shite out of Kansas and Kansas State just like every other Osborne team (he was a combined 50-0 against both) and they would have beat the Cowboys that year. Well, maybe not because Switzer was coaching the Cowboys in 1995.
Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:56 am to Tuscaloosa
See previous statement
Posted on 8/13/23 at 8:15 am to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Lets revisit how the tigers ended 2019 once D got healthy
Arky 56-20
Aggy 50-7
Georgia 37-10
Oklahoma 63-28
Clemson 42-25
Clemson and uga were top 5 Ds. And lsu shredded them
Arky 56-20
Aggy 50-7
Georgia 37-10
Oklahoma 63-28
Clemson 42-25
Clemson and uga were top 5 Ds. And lsu shredded them
Posted on 8/13/23 at 8:51 am to BigNastyTiger417
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See previous statement
Well, your statement is irrelevant.
Since stats don’t matter, defense doesn’t matter special teams doesn’t matter, and coaching doesn’t matter, I am hereby claiming the 2022 Texas A&M team to be the greatest of all time.
Moron.
Posted on 8/13/23 at 10:01 am to Tuscaloosa
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Moron
College football expert Matt Leinart really hurt your feelings. Stop crying about it, softie.
Posted on 8/13/23 at 10:06 am to Mulkey Man
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College football expert Matt Leinart really hurt your feelings. Stop crying about it, softie.
ITT thread, a litany of LSU posters conveniently forget that defense exists, as a QB who admittedly never watched game film proclaims them to be ThE bEsT tEaM oF aLL TiMe.
Posted on 8/13/23 at 10:14 am to Globetrotter747
So, what you’re saying is, teams with NFL talent usually beat teams with great college talent. That, I can agree with. Denigrating 1995 NU because they had the better players that year, is silly.
Posted on 8/13/23 at 10:20 am to Tuscaloosa
Statistics is what makes 2019 LSU the greatest team ever. Dumbass.
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 8/13/23 at 10:26 am to Globetrotter747
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The point is Nebraska’s I formation teams struggled against NFL ready talent.
Not by the mid-90s. Tom Osborne had changed up how he recruited his offensive line as well as his offensive backfield. The players were bigger, stronger, and faster. Take the 1997 Nebraska Cornhuskers team against 1997 Tennessee - a team loaded with NFL talent. Nebraska ran all over them in the Orange Bowl with Ahman Green rushing for 201 yards and a pair of touchdowns.
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I can tell you this….
1995 Nebraska’s WR’s were Reggie Baul and Clester Johnson. Neither of those guys were even all Big 8 in 1995. Neither was drafted. Johnson was the leading WR with 367 yards on the YEAR. They are not stretching the field on an elite D.
What elite defense was there in 1995 that they couldn't have stretched the field against? Kansas State had the #1 total defense as well as the #2 scoring defense in college football that year and Nebraska put 49 points on them.
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None of 1995 Nebraska’s OL were first team All-American. None went higher than the 3rd round.
And yet they were among the most dominant lines in the history of college football. Despite Tommie Frazier and Brook Berringer dropping back a combined 200 times, the Nebraska offensive line didn't give up a sack all season long. Not only that, they were never once called for holding and Frazier, Phillips, Green, and Childs all averaged over seven yards per carry on the year.
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Lawrence Phillips was mentally unstable and devoid of character, and I wouldn’t have trusted him to bag fries. That’s a guy you want to depend on when a physical D starts to pound your RB, every yard is tough, and there’s adversity to overcome?
Phillips rushed for over 100 yards in the 1995 Orange Bowl against one of the best front sevens Miami had ever fielded in their program's long history.
This post was edited on 8/13/23 at 10:28 am
Posted on 8/13/23 at 10:48 am to Tuscaloosa
“ Lets revisit how the tigers ended 2019 once D got healthy
Arky 56-20
Aggy 50-7
Georgia 37-10
Oklahoma 63-28
Clemson 42-25
Clemson and UGA were top 5 Ds. And LSU shredded them ”
Arky 56-20
Aggy 50-7
Georgia 37-10
Oklahoma 63-28
Clemson 42-25
Clemson and UGA were top 5 Ds. And LSU shredded them ”
Posted on 8/13/23 at 11:03 am to BigNastyTiger417
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Statistics is what makes 2019 LSU the greatest team ever. Dumbass.
Except for that defense that couldn’t stop a sneeze, and your special teams that ranked 70th in kickoff return coverage & 99th in punt returns, I think you’re spot on!
So what that you gave up 20+ to 9 different opponents, and managed to beat Auburn by 3.
So what that your defense gave up 38 points to 8-5 Texas.
So what that your defense gave up 37 points to 4-8 Ole Miss.
So what that your defense gave up a 52 yard rushing TD and allowed 3-9 Vanderbilt to score 24 points on offense.
So what.
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