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Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:02 am to Jjdoc
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:02 am to Jjdoc
I agree. He is arguing basic Macro in his posts, but doesnt even understand basic macro concepts. Its truly amazing that Trump is where he is and it hasnt burst yet. I will say that. He keeps adjusting though and that is why it hasnt burst.
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:26 am to momentoftruth87
Shame an amusing picture devolved into a political discussion before it even had a single page of replies. Meh.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 9:36 am to skrayper
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Shame an amusing picture devolved into a political discussion before it even had a single page of replies. Meh.
I agree. I was surprised to even see it still going this morning, and that is when I finally decided to talk about economics and politics. God forbid its a bad thing that a player has a hat in his locker without someone getting their panties in a bunch.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:11 am to momentoftruth87
Another site claims it is a Redsox hat photo-shopped MAGA.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:23 am to Jjdoc
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This guy doesn't even get the charts. He doesn't understand that Congress holds the purse.
Hes slow. He tried this hiding behind conservative crap on the PT and was exposed.
I wasn't blaming Trump...my point was, and I've been abundantly clear on this, is that you don't get to give your guy all the credit for the economy (while ignoring: 1. the economic recovery 2. congress holding the purse as you put it 3. lingering policies from the previous administration), while not giving other presidents the credit. Either they are responsible for the economy or they aren't (they largely are not). You party flag waving loyalist ideologues spent 8 years under Obama explaining how the rapidly improving economy had nothing to do with the president, just to flip the script when your guy got in, giving him all the credit. Of course, the other side of the aisle lauded Obama's accomplishments, yet now sees no merit in Trump's. It's hypocrisy.
Trump deserves credit for lowering taxes...he MAY end up deserving credit for a daring game of chicken with the Chinese (we'll have to see how it plays out)...he deserves credit for the recent prison reform...but not much else
I've been consistent. You've been exposed as someone that is loyal to party and Trump over country. Own that shite..wave that flag, toe that line....BAAAAAAAAAAAA
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:26 am to momentoftruth87
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agree. He is arguing basic Macro in his posts, but doesnt even understand basic macro concepts. Its truly amazing that Trump is where he is and it hasnt burst yet. I will say that. He keeps adjusting though and that is why it hasnt burst.
Explain to me which concepts of macroeconomics I'm not getting.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:34 am to momentoftruth87
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So with your fancy graphs you should be blaming Bush and not Trump. Obama also had the lowest interest rates and had all kinds of government programs that gave consumers the advantage. A lot of those programs will come back to bite us in the arse.
I don't give Obama credit and I don't "blame" Trump... I'd say that economically, the jury is still out on Trump but I liked the tax cuts...it's hard to argue with the outcome...but my point is that 1. Presidents, like the QB, get too much credit and too much blame 2. You can't claim that they are responsible for the economy when it's your guy, but they weren't responsible when it was someone else's guy
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The second chart when talking about government spending, Trump isnt the only one who does the budget. How much of that spending is on big government programs that take care of many people? When it comes to economics, Trump really cant get much better than where he is - you should know this since you are the one that is boasting about economics in your posts. A simple Macro class would tell you that.
How many times have you heard this president mention balancing the budget? What efforts have been made to reduce overall government spending? Right. He is hyper-focused on a wall while we're spending 40% more money than we are bringing in. He should be rallying the troops around fiscally conservative principles...and instead is obsessed about a $26B wall that will do nothing but increase the demand for ladders, ropes and shovels.
quote:Mattis resigned because Trump was dishonest (not sure about what). He also resigned because clearly, he and Trump were at odds over this decision....you know who absolutely wanted us out of Syria? Putin. Chew on that for a minute
Trump wants to pull out of wars and stop this spending because he knows that it is going into politicians pockets. Hence why Mattis resigned/fired (and I am a Marine who enjoyed Mattis).
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You need to realize that there is more to the picture than what you posted with your little charts that show numbers that all people dont understand. And you need to post charts that show the whole picture of how much the government wastes on foreign aid and other bullshite that happened during the Obama Administration that we are still paying for.
Nobody wants to read eleventy-thousand charts...I'm sorry that my analysis wasn't sufficiently comprehensive for you...but it directly supported my claims that : 1. giving Trump credit for the economy, while giving none to Obama is ridiculous 2. Trump is no fiscal conservative
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:34 am to DonaldDuckworth
Everything that Trump has done with jobs, trade, and how our budget is the way it is. There is so much fat that could be cut, but never will be because it's programs that support so many in our country. I get that defense spending is through the roof, but that's not because of Trump. All Trump haters act like the spending and deficit is all on him. Yes, it's large, but we didn't just get there the last two years.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:36 am to DonaldDuckworth
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Nobody wants to read eleventy-thousand charts...I'm sorry that my analysis wasn't sufficiently comprehensive for you...but it directly supported my claims that : 1. giving Trump credit for the economy, while giving none to Obama is ridiculous 2. Trump is no fiscal conservative
So you use limited information to back up your talk and leave out the rest of the picture. Great argument there! I know it's way more to it, but don't nitpick on stupid shite and not show the whole picture.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 10:41 am to momentoftruth87
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Everything that Trump has done with jobs, trade, and how our budget is the way it is. There is so much fat that could be cut, but never will be because it's programs that support so many in our country. I get that defense spending is through the roof, but that's not because of Trump. All Trump haters act like the spending and deficit is all on him. Yes, it's large, but we didn't just get there the last two years.
I don't disagree with any of that...and if i saw 1/10th of the focus on fiscally conservative initiatives that I've seen on that wall, I'd be a lot closer to being satisfied with the job he's doing...so when I see those numbers, and see no effort from him to do anything about it, yeah, as a fiscal conservative, I'm really disappointed in him. I worry for the financial solvency of this nation and what it means for future generations...we used to be the only ones holding the left in check...no NO ONE is...compassionate conservatism has ushered in a new age...it has everything to do with the short term acquisition and maintenance of power and nothing to do with the long-term well-being of this nation...and it speaks to a staggering lack of integrity (which to me, Trump has displayed repeatedly and across the spectrum and all facets of his life).
If it were up to me, I'd lose Trump for 2020 in favor of someone that can bring integrity (and moderates) back to conservatism...because we are failing and leftists are winning....a small (and declining) group growing more and more enthusiastic about Trump isn't going to save us from leftists growing in #'s. I'd want Kasich or Romney...or maybe someone that hasn't emerged yet. Sticking with Trump isn't being principled..it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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