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Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:04 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:04 pm to Jjdoc
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Jjdoc
You are exactly what’s wrong with America. You are not capable of independent thought so you ascribe to an ideology. You consumed the news that confirms your presuppositions while ignoring the news that casts doubt upon them. You think being anti-Trump is anti-conservative and therefore, socialist. These extreme left wingers that you and I both hate, arrived where they are in exactly the same manner you arrived where you are...by obliviously consuming bullshite and convincing themselves that it tastes great
By the way, you misunderstood me. I didn’t accuse Trump of giving away free stuff. I accused liberals of supporting giving away free stuff as an example of thinking you’re being helpful, but in the big picture, you’re harming the people you purport to care for...just like the leftist trade policies Trump peddled for the rustbelt union vote.
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Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:07 pm to BowlJackson
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Both teams looked like they were playing for a McDonald's dinner in the White House
Id go for some Jack n the box!
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:10 pm to DonaldDuckworth
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My point about people voting for this RINO is specifically for the republicans that voted for him in spite of his fiscally liberal (Keynesian spending) polices and leftist trade policies. But I don’t blame people for voting for him. I didn’t but i sure as heck didn’t vote for Hillary either. I had high hopes for Trump. The difference between me and those that still support him is that I wasn’t married to the idea so when it became obvious to me that he was a disaster, me and my tentative support took a hike
The left? Really. They were far more sell outs than the GOPE.
Yeah.. you voted Trump.. LMAO!
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When we buy the cheaper goods, we have more disposable income to spend on other, more capital-intensive goods and services. No, I don’t expect the fork-lift operator at the Carrier plant to get that...but I do expect the president to get it...the left has exploited this to their own gain for years with unions...now, the right is as well.
It's not an either or.
Fact... Ask any American if they would rather their neighbor have a decent job if it meant he paid $25 dollars more for a TV that will last 5 years.. (math for you... that's $5 per year) and EVERY American will say yes.
I broke that down for you as simple as I can.
Ask any American if they would rather work and make 10 -15 per hour and pay $25 more for a tv that lasts 5 years over working 2 to 3 part time jobs paying minimum wage.. they will all tell you YEP! they would.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:10 pm to momentoftruth87
Only reason to like him
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:12 pm to DonaldDuckworth
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...but believing in free trade means understanding that developing nations are going to excel in labor-intensive goods manufacturing, and wealthy nations will excel in capital-intensive goods and services
Free trade benefits those who want cheaper goods, it does not benefit those who work in the manufacturing industry (as you seem to admit) which is why many in the rust belt vote for anti trade messaging. And the irony is that free trade hurts people that are actually involved in the service/tech based economy (that you mentioned first world countries are/will be) that our country has evolved into. Bringing in workers via visa is a cheaper alternative to hiring the American who was told to go get an education because our economic system means they have to get an education if they want to make something of themselves, as a first world nation is not supposed to be a manufacturing power under these circumstances. And as AI develops these people who are educated will lose jobs, this includes engineers who design parts for airplanes, construct bridges, etc. as AI are already being implemented in some of these projects.
Its hard to believe this form of economic system is better when your options are either working in something like retail (because the cheaper goods from overseas have to be sold in this form of economy) or piling up debt to go get an education for a job that may be taken from you by someone on a visa, or in the future an AI.
And its why the type of free trade that the establishment wings of both parties sell to people has lost its luster. It sounds like poison to many
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:12 pm to Jjdoc
My “talking points” attack leftists more than conservatism because I’m a conservative. But you cannot differentiate between attacking Trump and attacking conservatism because you feel they are one in the same, like Christ and Christianity. Hardly “CNN” but whatever makes you happy. Anyway, it’s why you’re lost here.
Speaking of lost, what mask are you referring to?
BAAAAAAAAA
Speaking of lost, what mask are you referring to?
BAAAAAAAAA
This post was edited on 2/3/19 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:15 pm to DonaldDuckworth
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You are exactly what’s wrong with America. You are not capable of independent thought so you ascribe to an ideology.
100% backwards. That would be you.
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You think being anti-Trump is anti-conservative and therefore, socialist.
No.. I think Socialism is Socialism. I KNOW the GOPE are not conservatives. That's the Bush and Romeny's of the world. That's the Jeff Flake's... the McCains (btw was 100% seen when he went full blown retard)
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These extreme left wingers that you and I both hate, arrived where they are in exactly the same manner you arrived where you are...by obliviously consuming bull shite and convincing themselves that it tastes great
LOL. Bless your heart.
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you’re harming the people you purport to care for...just like the leftist trade policies Trump peddled for the rustbelt union vote.
What leftist trade policies?
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:19 pm to Jjdoc
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Fact... Ask any American if they would rather their neighbor have a decent job if it meant he paid $25 dollars more for a TV that will last 5 years.. (math for you... that's $5 per year) and EVERY American will say yes.
Perhaps...but that’s why each policy isn’t a referendum...because the average Joe doesn’t get it. Like you. You don’t get it. It’s not a tv...it’s EVERYTHING. It’s your car, your clothes your food, every component of your home, infrastructure, that supports the services you consume, the brick and mortar at your office, the software that supports your profession...it’s BASIC macroeconomic theory and it’s not even a debate...certainly not among the conservative economic scholars. Why trade at all? F’ing google it. It’s really pretty easy to understand when you hear it from the right guy. Check out Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. They’ll set you straight.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:23 pm to Jjdoc
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What leftist trade policies?
Now I’m repeating myself so I’m done. Protectionist policies are tools of the left...or were until Trump came along. And you’ve got to hand it to him. It was a brilliant strategy. He knew he wouldn’t lose any votes on the right, but he would gain votes from the left. Anyway, back to Info Wars and Sean Hannity for you sir. Later
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:25 pm to DonaldDuckworth
You were done before you started. I can't believe you argued so much itt.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:26 pm to thatguy45
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Free trade benefits those who want cheaper goods, it does not benefit those who work in the manufacturing industry (as you seem to admit) which is why many in the rust belt vote for anti trade messaging.
Free trade directly hurts those in labor-intensive goods manufacturing, but helps in capital-intensive goods manufacturing. It’s why textiles and plastic toys have gone overseas but were still manufacturing planes, heavy equipment, computers, robotics, chemicals, etc...here.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:29 pm to momentoftruth87
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You were done before you started. I can't believe you argued so much itt.
I can explain it to them, but I cannot comprehend it for them. Can lead a horse to water, etc...
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:40 pm to DonaldDuckworth
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Perhaps...but that’s why each policy isn’t a referendum...because the average Joe doesn’t get it.
I think the average JOE got it and it's why the GOP voted Trump in and the American People put him in office.
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You don’t get it. It’s not a tv...it’s EVERYTHING. It’s your car, your clothes your food, every component of your home, infrastructure, that supports the services you consume, the brick and mortar at your office, the software that supports your profession...it’s BASIC macroeconomic theory and it’s not even a debate...c
I do get it.
1- Car. Oh please. It's in line with what the increases were from 2013 to 2014 to 2015. Has nothing to do with Trump.
2- Not paying any more for clothing than I did prior to Trump.
3- Since Trump has come in, I have paid LESS for a TV that's way bigger.
You are losing it.
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Why trade at all?
Who is against trade? I know the USSR desperately pushed scholars and more to get the USA to trade with communist countries. Wonder why? They are our friends right?
But nobody I know of is against trade. BUT you didn't have free trade. You have NEVER had free trade. It was a myth due to the BUSH and Romney family.
You want free trade, then all taxes must be eliminated on both sides.... and you have NEVER had that.
You had a trade war.
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Check out Milton Friedman
Already know his work.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:42 pm to DonaldDuckworth
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Protectionist policies are tools of the left...or were until Trump came along.
I will say it again. NO! WRONG! IGNORANCE!
STUDY HISTORY...
Reagan used them.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:44 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:52 pm to DonaldDuckworth
I don’t know why trump is pussyfooting around. Why doesn’t he just bring slavery back. Then it would get rid of such annoying overhead like salaries and benefits altogether. That would save business in America and make it more competitive worldwide. It would also solidify his base that pines for 1860s culture and civil war staues and flags all that jazz. The good ole days
I’m sure those 17 year old catholic kids were wearing MAGA hats because they were worried about the Trans Pacific Partnership and smaller government
I will give it to trump. He got liberals and conservatives to walk right into his trap. Bickering over meaningless nonsense. People on both sides being offended over everything
Just don’t impeach the dude. Please don’t. This is going to be a spectacular car wreck that everyone deserves.
I’m sure those 17 year old catholic kids were wearing MAGA hats because they were worried about the Trans Pacific Partnership and smaller government
I will give it to trump. He got liberals and conservatives to walk right into his trap. Bickering over meaningless nonsense. People on both sides being offended over everything
Just don’t impeach the dude. Please don’t. This is going to be a spectacular car wreck that everyone deserves.
Posted on 2/3/19 at 11:56 pm to DonaldDuckworth
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It’s why textiles and plastic toys have gone overseas but were still manufacturing planes, heavy equipment, computers, robotics, chemicals, etc...here.
Yes, hence tech/service based economy. We make more advanced things, the rest of the world makes more basic products such as steel. Doesn't change the fact that automation and foreign workers are still very real threats in a first world free trade economy but aren't discussed, other than the possibility of basic income one we hit a certain level of automation.
Yet these issues are ignored and we are simply told free trade is the future and we must accept it. Why accept a future that has hurt thus far and the issues with its future are not remedied?
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:01 am to thatguy45
No offense to y'all, but this thread sucks. Poli board plz
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:03 am to thatguy45
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Yes, hence tech/service based economy. We make more advanced things, the rest of the world makes more basic products such as steel.
Something that would cripple the USA (or any nation) if we could not produce enough of it if a war broke out.
Electrical Steel is one of those things. We can not produce enough of it currently and LP can not be built without them
Most of ours are 25+ years old and it would take 2 years to get another for replacement.
That puts large sections of our nation out of electricity for a LONG... LONG time.
Certain industries can not be allowed to fall due to POOR trade practices that allow a nation like China to cheat.
Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:13 am to Jjdoc
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