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Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:56 pm to WDE24
Lutz could've died from the drinking alone with that high of a content
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:04 pm to AUCatfish
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I edited late, but my point is how is it relevant to the news story. I understand what you are saying in regards to a possible wrongful death suit, but don't know that his BAC is newsworthy.
Did you think that the news wouldn't report that the driver was drunk once the facts came out? A wreck as highly publicized as this one?
The next question that ANYONE would ask after finding out the above information is "well was everyone else drunk?".
I can't believe this is even a debate.
In death accidents, BAC/drugs are pretty relevant to understanding what happened.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:05 pm to WDE24
I was in banland when this happened. I know it's late but I send my condolences to the Auburn family.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:06 pm to TroyTider
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Driver more than two times the legal limit.
Lutz almost 5 times the legal limit.
I'll be glad when this story goes away. He was considered to be a leader of young men but
unfortunately couldn't set a better example of how to handle alcohol. :SMH:
seriously?
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:15 pm to hiltacular
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Did you think that the news wouldn't report that the driver was drunk once the facts came out? A wreck as highly publicized as this one?
Of course they would report what the driver's BAC was, but Lutz wasn't the driver. I can't remember an instance where there was an accident and not only did they report the BAC of the driver but also a passenger in the car. Maybe it's happened and I didn't notice.
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In death accidents, BAC/drugs are pretty relevant to understanding what happened.
How is a passenger's BAC relevant in an accident?
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:19 pm to AUCatfish
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Of course they would report what the driver's BAC was, but Lutz wasn't the driver. I can't remember an instance where there was an accident and not only did they report the BAC of the driver but also a passenger in the car. Maybe it's happened and I didn't notice.
So you expected the news to report that the driver was drunk as a skunk and to leave it at that? Completely ignore the passengers (one of which is 'famous') and let people speculate among themselves?
you are killin me man
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:34 pm to hiltacular
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So you expected the news to report that the driver was drunk as a skunk and to leave it at that?
The driver's BAC is relevant to the investigation. He "caused" the accident. How drunk or not drunk a passenger in the car was at the time has no bearing on it.
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Completely ignore the passengers (one of which is 'famous') and let people speculate among themselves?
If there was an accident where the driver ran a stop sign and was killed, along with his passenger, and there was no evidence that the driver was impaired, would the sobriety of the passenger be questioned? Would it matter? No,of course not. Same rules apply here.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:35 pm to AUCatfish
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How is a passenger's BAC relevant in an accident?
nearly half of the states require BAC reports of the driver and all passengers involved in drunk driving accidents where fatalities or serious injuries occur.
LINK
that should help, although Alabama isn't specifically mentioned
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:36 pm to lsufball19
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nearly half of the states require BAC reports of the driver and all passengers involved in drunk driving accidents where fatalities or serious injuries occur.
Hmm, didn't know that...thanks.
Don't know if Georgia requires it, but rereading the article it mentions that the 2 surviving passengers were not tested. Don't know why....the whole thing just sucks balls.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:47 pm to AUCatfish
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Don't know why....the whole thing just sucks balls.
Most likely reason is that they didn't die and they weren't driving. Since he died, the state's going to want to ensure trauma from the wreck was the true cause of death and they weren't having a "Weekend at Bernie's" adventure or something more sinister.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:54 pm to JustGetItRight
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Most likely reason is that they didn't die and they weren't driving. Since he died, the state's going to want to ensure trauma from the wreck was the true cause of death and they weren't having a "Weekend at Bernie's" adventure or something more sinister.
i can about guarantee it's, yes, because he died, but most importantly for any possible future civil suits filed by his family. without getting into too much legal detail, comparative negligence can reduce the amount he can recover, and his intoxication level would be relevant in that context. it being a report conducted by a government agency, it will generally be public information. it may be insensitive to Lutz's family, but it basically became fair game at that point. Lutz being somewhat well-known gave the news a reasonable belief reporting his BAC would garner attention.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 4:01 pm to lsufball19
I totally understand collecting the evidence I was just caught off guard that it would be reported in the news.
I'm sure it's available in these types of investigations, and with good reason- I just don't remember it being put in a story/headline. Just not something I've noticed in the past, I don't think it's common.
I'm not trying to hide it or tar/feather the press for it, the facts are the facts, just unfortunate that it has to become something to discuss when it didn't have any legal or reasonable hand in the tragedy that occurred.
I'm sure it's available in these types of investigations, and with good reason- I just don't remember it being put in a story/headline. Just not something I've noticed in the past, I don't think it's common.
I'm not trying to hide it or tar/feather the press for it, the facts are the facts, just unfortunate that it has to become something to discuss when it didn't have any legal or reasonable hand in the tragedy that occurred.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 4:04 pm to Swoopin
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I'm not trying to hide it or tar/feather the press for it, the facts are the facts, just unfortunate that it has to become something to discuss when it didn't have any legal or reasonable hand in the tragedy that occurred.
Thanks Swoop, you said it way better than I did.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 4:41 pm to WDE24
Well... hate it. Tragic for young people to die needlessly.
At .377, maybe Lutz didn't feel a thing. May have been unconcious in the first place.
At .377, maybe Lutz didn't feel a thing. May have been unconcious in the first place.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 4:46 pm to AUCatfish
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How is a passenger's BAC relevant in an accident?
Its not relevant to the accident. It is relevant to the story. The writer needs ppl to read the story so they published the famous guys BAC. That is why they published his and not the two girls BAC.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 4:52 pm to lsufball19
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nearly half of the states require BAC reports of the driver and all passengers involved in drunk driving accidents where fatalities or serious injuries occur.
probably because driving with someone who is drunk in your car can be a major distraction and even cause an accident.
I feel terrible for the individuals who lost their lives but I'm glad they didn't kill someone else on the road who didn't make the decision to drive drunk. Also, wear your damn seatbelts people... they still save lives.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 4:58 pm to WDE24
Does not change how I think about him or them. Died too young, let them RIP. Hold on to the good memories. I am willing to bet that they did more good in their short lives than bad. Tragic mistake.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 7:18 pm to WDE24
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likely the result of DUI.
Sad...Lutz seemed like a great guy. Sorry for of the families involved.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 8:21 pm to WDE24
It's pretty shitty that they released his BAC to the public IMO. It is no one's business besides his family. Now a man who lived a stellar life is spoken of in death as if he was a raging alcoholic with no ability to defend his reputation. His BAC should not be the last conversation we have about Lutz. RIP.
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