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re: LSU before the turn of the century
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:12 am to Ol'DirtyCam
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:12 am to Ol'DirtyCam
we were known as a sleeping giant for a while, really we were asleep about a decade. we should have had a title in the 60s but we got butthurt by ND deciding to accept a bowl bid again and we turned down a bowl bid.
we also hamstring ourselves by not claiming a legitimate title like 1908
we also hamstring ourselves by not claiming a legitimate title like 1908
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:23 am to heartbreakTiger
1908 is a long time ago tho
We claim all of our major poll national championships, from 1936 (I believe) onward.
3 is pretty good
We claim all of our major poll national championships, from 1936 (I believe) onward.
3 is pretty good
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:25 am to Ol'DirtyCam
LSU's problem for a long time was the same thing we saw in recent weeks with the Miles debacle. Too much politicking and good ole' boy networking behind the scenes instead of doing what was best for the program. Saban and especially Mart Emmert (then LSU Chancellor, now President of the NCAA) put a stop to that while they were there.
Emmert's departure affected LSU perhaps even more than Saban's did. Rest assured that if he were still in charge at LSU, you wouldn't have seen all of the stupidity that transpired over the last few weeks.
Emmert's departure affected LSU perhaps even more than Saban's did. Rest assured that if he were still in charge at LSU, you wouldn't have seen all of the stupidity that transpired over the last few weeks.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:28 am to BayouBengals03
it is a long time ago but it should have been claimed along time ago as well. Its nice we don't pull titles for every tom dick and harry poll but it does make us look more unsuccessful than we have truly been.
Any true football fan knows that we are a top 10 program in history. The rant isn't filled with that though its retards and trolls.
Any true football fan knows that we are a top 10 program in history. The rant isn't filled with that though its retards and trolls.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:38 am to heartbreakTiger
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it is a long time ago but it should have been claimed along time ago as well.
I can agree with that.
Would look silly to claim it now, though.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 1:59 am to labamafan
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Dinardo was bringing y'all to the independence bowl and had a team full of purse snatchers and sexual deviants. He gets way more credit than he deserves. Saban wouldn't have gone there if he knew he couldn't win. Y'all had the worst consecutive string of coaches in sec history.
No, DiNardo wasn't bad until his 4th year when he hired the worst defensive coordinator ever in Lou Tepper. LSU had 3 bowl wins in a row, 2 consecutive ties for 1st place in the West and two consecutive top 15 finishes before that hire (which was really good after what Hallman put LSU through). Hallman was the worst hire ever.
DiNardo had a number of bright spots with beating #1 UF (who had killed us just about every year under Spurrier), etc. Actually, DiNardo gave Bama their worst loss ever in Bryant-Denny in that 27-0 game...I believe it is still their worst loss ever there. He recruited well too, so Saban was able to come in and have instant success.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:19 am to heartbreakTiger
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it is a long time ago but it should have been claimed along time ago as well. Its nice we don't pull titles for every tom dick and harry poll but it does make us look more unsuccessful than we have truly been.
Even before I attended LSU, I wondered why 1908 wasn't claimed. In an era dominated by the Ivy League (with some smattering of Michigan and UChicago in the Western Conference), that is the first recognition of a Southern team as National Champion by the NCAA. Even the legendary 1899 Sewanee team isn't listed.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:44 am to heartbreakTiger
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Any true football fan knows that we are a top 10 program in history. The rant isn't filled with that though its retards and trolls.
Lol, you are not fond of Miles, act like program is being run into ground, and it is mediocre. In 123 seasons now, LSU has won 3 national titles. But you want to crucify the coach responsible for 1 of them. Seriously, you guys contradict your selves.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 2:47 am to BayouBengals03
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Would look silly to claim it now, though
It would, but A&M retroactively claimed 1919 and 1927 when they joined the SEC and there were multiple teams named national champion those years.
Only Penn claims 1908 and they tied Carlisle that year, while we were 10-0. People would quickly get over us claiming it, if we eventually want to.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:02 am to nvasil1
I think we should win another one before we claim that one.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:10 am to Buttermilk Pancakes
1908 - Point-a-minute team, best player in the South at that time (Doc Fenton), and second Southern team to claim an MNC (Vandy 1906 was the first)
1935-1936 - Some great years under Bernie Moore. Unbeaten LSU finished second in the inaugural AP poll to once-beaten Minnesota. The AP was headquartered in the Twin Cities at that time (go figure).
1958-1959 - First great Tigers team that captured the hearts and imagination of the country. LSU practically introduced a multi-squad system that caught on with other teams around the country. Billy Cannon won LSU's only Heisman trophy.
1960s - Some really good teams that could never beat Bear Bryant's Alabama teams. That said, the 1969 team got robbed of a chance for an MNC - Notre Dame got a bowl invite over LSU even though they didn't deserve it (recall that there were far fewer bowls at that time).
1970s - More or less a steady decline under Charlie Mac.
1980s - Some good moments. A couple SEC championships. The Earthquake Game (f you Auburn).
1990s - Bottom fell out with a string of bad coaches. Gerri Dinardo brought back the magic for a sec, but then the bottom fell out on him, too.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
1935-1936 - Some great years under Bernie Moore. Unbeaten LSU finished second in the inaugural AP poll to once-beaten Minnesota. The AP was headquartered in the Twin Cities at that time (go figure).
1958-1959 - First great Tigers team that captured the hearts and imagination of the country. LSU practically introduced a multi-squad system that caught on with other teams around the country. Billy Cannon won LSU's only Heisman trophy.
1960s - Some really good teams that could never beat Bear Bryant's Alabama teams. That said, the 1969 team got robbed of a chance for an MNC - Notre Dame got a bowl invite over LSU even though they didn't deserve it (recall that there were far fewer bowls at that time).
1970s - More or less a steady decline under Charlie Mac.
1980s - Some good moments. A couple SEC championships. The Earthquake Game (f you Auburn).
1990s - Bottom fell out with a string of bad coaches. Gerri Dinardo brought back the magic for a sec, but then the bottom fell out on him, too.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:12 am to harmonics
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Then in 1998 they went 4-7, with a ton of close losses to good teams. 1999 they were a total disaster. Most of their losses were blowouts and they finished 3-8. Like Dinardo said, he did it backwards. Had success early and failure late.
Combination of a terrible DC (Tepper) and off-the-field issues (academics, discipline).
The first thing Saban did when he got here was build the Cox Center for student athletes. Now we don't have as many issues with guys failing out of school. The man has vision, I'll give him that.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:14 am to nvasil1
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Even before I attended LSU, I wondered why 1908 wasn't claimed.
Because Penn or Harvard would have kicked our arse. We had Doc Fenton. They had entire teams full of Doc Fentons. We were like the Boise State of that year.
Still, the team is worth recognizing. One of the first good teams from the South, as you mentioned.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 5:13 am to thefloydian
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Neither did LSU fans.
What's funny is you 'great' bama fans bailed on your team for about 15 years. Don't forget that.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:21 am to Buttermilk Pancakes
Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:28 am to Jrv2damac
TO be kind they were very inconsistent. The team you see now is pretty much what they were save a few years here and there but even those years they were not NC material.
Now, LSU fans today will tell you they have always been here, that their history is equivalent to Bama's, their ceiling is the same as Bama's and they've always been considered a national power. Simply not true. LSU has always been closer to Auburn historically than Bama. LSU became a national power in 2003. Before that, meh, good team but not in the mix for conference titles much and the NC championship was never discussed. Even the older LSU fans will tell you they never thought they'd see LSU win it all. So from the beginning up to '03 they were pretty meh. The twenty something crowd believe they should compete every year (like the 90's Florida kids thought UF had always been tough) but I look at LSU's national championships like Auburns. More fate than the program.
Now, LSU fans today will tell you they have always been here, that their history is equivalent to Bama's, their ceiling is the same as Bama's and they've always been considered a national power. Simply not true. LSU has always been closer to Auburn historically than Bama. LSU became a national power in 2003. Before that, meh, good team but not in the mix for conference titles much and the NC championship was never discussed. Even the older LSU fans will tell you they never thought they'd see LSU win it all. So from the beginning up to '03 they were pretty meh. The twenty something crowd believe they should compete every year (like the 90's Florida kids thought UF had always been tough) but I look at LSU's national championships like Auburns. More fate than the program.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 6:30 am
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:10 am to Roses of Crimson
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that their history is equivalent to Bama's,
lol, nobody says this.
But this board acts like we were Iowa State before 2000 which isn't true.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:17 am to Buttermilk Pancakes
If not for the angst of Saban coming to Alabama which started this I hate Bama campaign, I'm not sure who LSU's super bowl is ever year. I also don't think that Miles would be so criticized. "Our old coach is winning a lot at Bama" really put the pressure on Miles. They seemed to be happy with 8 or 9 wins for 100 years.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:23 am to CBandits82
LSU and Auburn are very similar historically. If the OP isn't familiar with either then that won't help, but it's very true.
LSU does have a higher ceiling than Auburn because they are the only real program in their state.
The big difference is this: LSU historically has been erratic and somewhat underachieved; whereas Auburn has been erratic but seems to somewhat overachieve.
LSU does have a higher ceiling than Auburn because they are the only real program in their state.
The big difference is this: LSU historically has been erratic and somewhat underachieved; whereas Auburn has been erratic but seems to somewhat overachieve.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:40 am to Buttermilk Pancakes
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No troll attempt here but I didn't follow NCAA football until 2002...
Maybe you couldn't read before 2002, but you can now. Your question is an obvious troll.
Look it up.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 7:42 am
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