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re: Louisville - did the SEC miss out?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 4:49 pm to CatFan81
Posted on 6/10/13 at 4:49 pm to CatFan81
The reason Louisville makes no sense isn't because they did not get a decent rating in baseball last night.
They add nothing, zero, nada, zip, to the SEC Network. Already have a school in Kentucky. When the SEC expands it will expand to new states.
They add nothing, zero, nada, zip, to the SEC Network. Already have a school in Kentucky. When the SEC expands it will expand to new states.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 4:52 pm
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 4:50 pm to USMC Gators
For the Card fans on here :
Here are the numbers and data for both schools
Overall numbers :
UK endowment (915 M) > UL endowment (721 M) : UK ahead by roughly 200 million total
UK students (28 K) > UL students (22K) : UK ahead by roughly 6 thousand per year
UK is a Land Grant university, UL is not : advantage UK (most SEC schools are land grant)
UK is a Flagship university, UL is not : advantage UK (most SEC schools are Flagships)
UK is #46 in public research in US, UL is #74 in public research but has a budget of roughly half of UK's : advantage UK (about 150 million)
As to your comment of UL being older -
Transylvania is actually older than both UK and UL but was split in 1865 to form Kentucky A&M (as an A&M institution UK shares an early core mission with fellow A&M schools in the SEC) and was an all male institution till late in the 1800's when it began to admit women. Transy still retains its identity as a private school but Kentucky A&M is now UK and has become the state flagship school for the Commonwealth of Kentucky (one of the few commonwealths in the US and due to it being an original territory of the Commonwealth of Virginia)
As for sports :
UK has 11 NC's in (4) sports > UL has 3 NC's in (1) sport : advantage UK
Rupp Arena (24K) > YUM (22K) : advantage UK
Commonwealth (68K) > Papa Johns (55K) : advantage UK
(UK has just approved 110 million upgrade which will boost seating over 70K with long term goal of 80K)
As for revenue streams (CLC report from April 16, 2013) LINK:
UK / SEC ~ 35 million > UL / ACC ~ 20 million : advantage UK (about 15 M per year)
UK is an IMG College school, UL is not : advantage UK
UK CLC rank = #6 > UL CLC rank = #35 : Huge advantage to UK
Note : in case math is not good for you : UK with a terrible year in both football and basketball finished #6 in the ranking while UL is having a historic season only got to #35 (translation a terrible UK year is still kicking arse on a great UL year) - Imagine next year when UK basketball cuts down another banner and Stoops goes 6-6 instead of 2-10.
Here are the numbers and data for both schools
Overall numbers :
UK endowment (915 M) > UL endowment (721 M) : UK ahead by roughly 200 million total
UK students (28 K) > UL students (22K) : UK ahead by roughly 6 thousand per year
UK is a Land Grant university, UL is not : advantage UK (most SEC schools are land grant)
UK is a Flagship university, UL is not : advantage UK (most SEC schools are Flagships)
UK is #46 in public research in US, UL is #74 in public research but has a budget of roughly half of UK's : advantage UK (about 150 million)
As to your comment of UL being older -
Transylvania is actually older than both UK and UL but was split in 1865 to form Kentucky A&M (as an A&M institution UK shares an early core mission with fellow A&M schools in the SEC) and was an all male institution till late in the 1800's when it began to admit women. Transy still retains its identity as a private school but Kentucky A&M is now UK and has become the state flagship school for the Commonwealth of Kentucky (one of the few commonwealths in the US and due to it being an original territory of the Commonwealth of Virginia)
As for sports :
UK has 11 NC's in (4) sports > UL has 3 NC's in (1) sport : advantage UK
Rupp Arena (24K) > YUM (22K) : advantage UK
Commonwealth (68K) > Papa Johns (55K) : advantage UK
(UK has just approved 110 million upgrade which will boost seating over 70K with long term goal of 80K)
As for revenue streams (CLC report from April 16, 2013) LINK:
UK / SEC ~ 35 million > UL / ACC ~ 20 million : advantage UK (about 15 M per year)
UK is an IMG College school, UL is not : advantage UK
UK CLC rank = #6 > UL CLC rank = #35 : Huge advantage to UK
Note : in case math is not good for you : UK with a terrible year in both football and basketball finished #6 in the ranking while UL is having a historic season only got to #35 (translation a terrible UK year is still kicking arse on a great UL year) - Imagine next year when UK basketball cuts down another banner and Stoops goes 6-6 instead of 2-10.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 4:57 pm to USMC Gators
You're not really this dense, are you?
Please send the Texas Legislature your findings so they can correct the fact that Texas has 2 flagships. You have uncovered something with your criteria.
TAMU should just buy UF to decrease the ignorance. Our endowment would only take a minor hit.
Please send the Texas Legislature your findings so they can correct the fact that Texas has 2 flagships. You have uncovered something with your criteria.
TAMU should just buy UF to decrease the ignorance. Our endowment would only take a minor hit.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:07 pm to Alanin502
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Man a lot of you are hung up on this "flagship" school crap. Who cares?
Well, it matters to SEC, PAC and B1G. Notice there are no city and/or directional programs.
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The ACC is more "well rounded".
Outside of FSU, Miami and Clemson...so are most of the co-eds. So you guys are good...
Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:08 pm to BigD Ag
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You're not really this dense, are you?
Please send the Texas Legislature your findings so they can correct the fact that Texas has 2 flagships. You have uncovered something with your criteria.
TAMU should just buy UF to decrease the ignorance. Our endowment would only take a minor hit.
You're the one trying to say that UF isn't the flagship school in FL.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:14 pm to USMC Gators
Please show me where I wrote that?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:20 pm to Alanin502
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:34 pm to USMC Gators
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Someone doesn't know what flagship means.
Agreed.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 5:57 pm to USMC Gators
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Someone doesn't know what flagship means.
In an effort to educate all of us (especially the Card fans on here)
The phrase flagship institution or flagship university may be applied to an individual school or campus within each state system. The College Board for example defines flagship universities as the best-known institutions in the state, noting that they were generally the first to be established, and are frequently the largest and most selective, as well as the most research-intensive public universities. These schools are often land-grant, sea-grant, or space-grant research universities. According to Robert M. Berdahl, interim President of the University of Oregon, the phrase "flagship" came into existence in the 1950s when the Morrill Act schools were joined by newer institutions built in a wave of post-war expansion of state university systems. Berdahl notes further that because flagships are generally the oldest schools within a system, they are often the largest and best financed and are perceived as elite relative to non-flagship state schools.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:18 pm to BigD Ag
Rupp is a run down dump. You're giving the advantage to them because they have more seats? Quality trumps quantity EVERY time. We have better facilitates not just over Kentucky but pretty much anybody in the country. They are all brand new. We seat 56K in our all chair back stadium and already have plans to expand to 60K. We could have easily crammed aluminum bleachers like some over sized high school stadium to accompany more people but again, opted for QUALITY.
We made 3 million more playing in the Big East than Uk did playing in the $EC. That number will grow by $12 million when we join the ACC in 2014. We are the most profitable basketball program in the country just about every year. We make more money in basketball than most teams do in football. We consistently finish ranked higher in the Directors Cup more years than not all while playing fewer sports to factor in. I don't know what the CSC crap is but I'm sure again thats due to the fact that UK competes in several more sports like rifle shooting. Im not impressed. I'm sure that a real profit churning whirlwind there. I keep hearing about KY tv market but once again our NCAA title game attendance was not only an NCAA record, but it pulled in an average overnight household rating/share of 14.23, according to Nielsen. That’s up 18% over the 12.1/19 last year’s game between Kentucky and Kansas. The ratings for Monday’s title game hit a peak from 11:30-11:45 PM ET with a 17.3/32 rating. Dont cha just love those tv ratings?!
As far as academics go we had more Fulbright Scholars this year than all Kentucky schools combined and 73 of them since 2000 I believe. Uk, academically, is only ranked 35 spots ahead of us as an institution and the gap has closed by leaps and bounds over the past decade. In fact our students averaged a higher ACT score than that of UK. The application requirements as far as ACT and SAT scores are no different between the two schools. It is only a matter of time before we pass them in academics. Joining the ACC will only strengthen our image.
Louisville has a few individual championships in swimming and track and field as well.
It is just a matter of time before the NCAA is done away with all together with conferences breaking away with their own TV Networks. 4 of UK's titles were obtained back when the NIT was the more prestigious tournament. So they got lucky and the NIT faded? Congrats. When the NCAA is done away all those titles will be viewed in the same light as NIT titles. Scoffed at. Meaningless. We have 2 BCS wins to their zero. We have two College World Series appearances to their zero.
You wont get an argument out of me that UK has history in their corner, but if I were on the outside looking in at what is unfolding right now in athletics AND academics, it's not even close. Our present and future look leaps and bounds better.
We made 3 million more playing in the Big East than Uk did playing in the $EC. That number will grow by $12 million when we join the ACC in 2014. We are the most profitable basketball program in the country just about every year. We make more money in basketball than most teams do in football. We consistently finish ranked higher in the Directors Cup more years than not all while playing fewer sports to factor in. I don't know what the CSC crap is but I'm sure again thats due to the fact that UK competes in several more sports like rifle shooting. Im not impressed. I'm sure that a real profit churning whirlwind there. I keep hearing about KY tv market but once again our NCAA title game attendance was not only an NCAA record, but it pulled in an average overnight household rating/share of 14.23, according to Nielsen. That’s up 18% over the 12.1/19 last year’s game between Kentucky and Kansas. The ratings for Monday’s title game hit a peak from 11:30-11:45 PM ET with a 17.3/32 rating. Dont cha just love those tv ratings?!
As far as academics go we had more Fulbright Scholars this year than all Kentucky schools combined and 73 of them since 2000 I believe. Uk, academically, is only ranked 35 spots ahead of us as an institution and the gap has closed by leaps and bounds over the past decade. In fact our students averaged a higher ACT score than that of UK. The application requirements as far as ACT and SAT scores are no different between the two schools. It is only a matter of time before we pass them in academics. Joining the ACC will only strengthen our image.
Louisville has a few individual championships in swimming and track and field as well.
It is just a matter of time before the NCAA is done away with all together with conferences breaking away with their own TV Networks. 4 of UK's titles were obtained back when the NIT was the more prestigious tournament. So they got lucky and the NIT faded? Congrats. When the NCAA is done away all those titles will be viewed in the same light as NIT titles. Scoffed at. Meaningless. We have 2 BCS wins to their zero. We have two College World Series appearances to their zero.
You wont get an argument out of me that UK has history in their corner, but if I were on the outside looking in at what is unfolding right now in athletics AND academics, it's not even close. Our present and future look leaps and bounds better.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:23 pm to ACCcards
"noting that they were generally the first to be established"
How come you didn't bold that part? Oh that would work against your agenda. Ok.
How come you didn't bold that part? Oh that would work against your agenda. Ok.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:25 pm to ACCcards
Why do you keep responding to yourself
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:31 pm to ACCcards
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Rupp is a run down dump.
And plans are in the works to make it just as nice as the Fried Chicken Palace. Have you seen some of the mocks? When they come to pass, Rupp will be far nicer than your arena.
More history has happened in Rupp than will ever happen in the YUM! (el oh el) Center.
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We seat 56K in our all chair back stadium and already have plans to expand to 60K. We could have easily crammed aluminum bleachers like some over sized high school stadium to accompany more people but again, opted for QUALITY.
And we're starting over $100 million in upgrades this season that will make CWS nicer than your corporate sponsored Pizza Pit. Chairbacks and all.
Your facilities wont be nicer for much longer. Our basketball practice facility is nicer than a lot of NBA facilities. Our basketball dorm is nicer than anything on your campus. Our new track complex is nicer than yours. Our Aquatics Center is nicer than yours. Our softball stadium is nicer than yours. Plans are in the works to build a new baseball stadium.
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We made 3 million more playing in the Big East than Uk did playing in the $EC.
That's because the SEC will not allow sales of alcoholic beverages.
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That number will grow by $12 million when we join the ACC in 2014.
Guess you haven't heard of the new SEC Network deal?
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We are the most profitable basketball program in the country just about every year.
Yeah, alcohol sales will do that.
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We make more money in basketball than most teams do in football.
You don't make more in basketball than most SEC football teams.
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Uk, academically, is only ranked 35 spots ahead of us as an institution and the gap has closed by leaps and bounds over the past decade.
Your law school is a joke, your medical school is vastly inferior, I'm not going to bother to go look at the numbers, but we're more selective than you are as to who gets accepted.
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It is only a matter of time before we pass them in academics.
Yeah, ok...
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:32 pm to CatFan81
How is this still going?
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:32 pm to ACCcards
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"noting that they were generally the first to be established"
YOU ARE NOT A FLAGSHIP SCHOOL. I mean, it's common knowledge that the University of Kentucky is THE flagship school in the state of Kentucky.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:33 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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How is this still going?
Cards with little dick syndrome trying to make themselves look better to a conference that they don't, and will never, belong to.
Damn, they're butt hurt.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:39 pm to CatFan81
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THE flagship school in the state of Kentucky.
Well... using Arky logic... Petrino is at WKU therefore WKU is tFlagship.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:40 pm to ACCcards
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I don't know what the CSC crap is but I'm sure again thats due to the fact that UK competes in several more sports like rifle shooting. Im not impressed. I'm sure that a real profit churning whirlwind there.
It is CLC and if you had bothered to click on the link you would have seen that it is a yardstick on how a school "sells" across the USA and the rest of the planet. Just take a look at the names at the top of the list and educate yourself so you do not keep looking like an uneducated child in a room full of grown ups.
here is the top 25 so you can see the company UK keeps that UL does not. Just to make it more clear, note the few ACC schools underlined and how few made the list
(1.) The University of Texas at Austin
(2.) The University of Alabama
(3.) The University of Michigan
(4.) University of Notre Dame
(5.) Louisiana State University
(6.) University of Kentucky
(7.) University of Georgia
(8.) University of Florida
(9.) University of Arkansas
(10.) University of North Carolina
(11.) University of Nebraska
(12.) The University of Oklahoma
(13.) University of Wisconsin
(14.) University of Tennessee
(15.) Texas A&M
(16.) West Virginia University
(17.) Auburn University
(18.) University of South Carolina
(19.) University of Missouri
(20.) The Pennsylvania State University
(21.) Florida State University
(22.) The University of Kansas
(23.) Clemson University
(24.) Oklahoma State University
(25.) Texas Tech University
(11) = SEC schools (ALx2, AR, FL, GA, LA, KY, MO, SC, TX, and TN)
(6) = B12 schools (KS, OKx2, TXx2, and WV)
(4) = B1G schools (PA, MI, NE, and WI)
(3) = ACC schools (NC, FL, and SC)
(1) = IND schools (IN)
PS, Note how many schools on this list are Flagship schools
Look debate is a great thing but the more you do not comprehend the real world the dumber you look. I am trying to help educate you so you do not make Card fans look so dumb. You can keep arguing and look ignorant or you can get some smart pills and become a better ambassador for your alma mater.
Choice is yours.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:43 pm to Cheese Grits
HOOOOOOLLLLLLLLYYYY shite. Y'all still responding to this retard? My GAWD, this thread should had died down after page 3. FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK, the suckage is strong on this thread, and it took damn birdies to bring this site down. Congrats 
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 6:43 pm to Slinger16
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Arky logic
Oxymoron.
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