re: Lost in all of this discussion about the Dallas Turner hit on Jayden Daniels...

In my opinion he led with his helmet. Per the rule, if there is even a question it is a targeting foul. Possibly didn't launch although both his feet come off the ground. Also, I bolded the parts of the actual rules below that apply to this play. It won't change anyone's mind but it is what it is. We can only discuss it and lay out arguments. Just because you say with authority he didn't do any of those things does not make it so. Also, it is not just about head contact but includes the neck as well.



Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul. ...

Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indications of targeting (emphasis NCAA's) include but are not limited to:

Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14). When in question, a player is defenseless. Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to:

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier
A player on the ground
A player obviously out of the play
A player who receives a blind-side block
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped
A quarterback any time after a change of possession a ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet first"

They threw a flag on the play. Not sure what more you people want.

So, yes?

For the fricking play to be reviewed for targeting. Everyone has seen a play less egregious than that reviewed for targeting.

Just for arguments sake - are you asking if teams in the lead should not be penalized because it “wouldn’t make a difference”?

This guy gets it

Now let's all discuss whether or not we think a hit like that SHOULD be targeting... I vote NO

it was reviewed, met every condition to be called targeting but wasn't. The discretion sucks. especially when those ARE the type of hits they are trying to remove from football.

watch turner do it again this weekend too.

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What exactly are we arguing here? You can say the refs missed a call but its impact on the game would have been negligible if they had called it correctly. Daniels would have remained injured targeting or no targeting. I just don't see how it would have mattered.

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It only matters that the program that wants to hoist itself on the pedestal of greatness teaches, encourages, and endorses dirty play. Alabama has a history of this in big games and honestly I cant think of another program in CFB that has that reputation. Can you?

The billionaire I used to work for said to us minions that even the appearance of impropriety is wrong.

Most importantly, failure to address the issue properly encourages others to follow that behavior.

Kiffin hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that the system is broken when players can illegally take out the QB and remain playing.

It was on par with Devin White’s targeting against Bama a few years back.

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he did pressure Nuss almost every pass.

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Did Nuss piss his pants?