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Posted on 11/7/13 at 5:13 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 11/7/13 at 5:13 pm to Cheese Grits
Can you clarify this argument Cheese? Are you saying Florida has better depth because their second stringers are from within a 250 mile radius and therefore more resilient to injury? I think I'm misunderstanding your point.
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Posted on 11/7/13 at 5:44 pm to Cheese Grits
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Not a troll dude, serious response in how teams fill past the first string. GA and FL are recruit export states and if the second string kids - that important factor of how to survive in the SEC - are usually pulled from a 250 mile radius so they are more resilient. With the Gators and Dawgs it was not just a player or two out of play for a game, while teams with less depth (Mizzou, Kentucky, Vanderbilt) can feel greater pain with the loss of just a player or two.
Mizzou (minus its QB and best defensive player in second half) 41
Georgia 26
Mizzou (minus its QB and best defensive player) 36
Florida 17
Yes, Mizzou really felt great pain from the loss of just a player or two. Yes indeed.
This post was edited on 11/7/13 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 11/7/13 at 5:46 pm to MIZ_STL
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Are you saying Florida has better depth because their second stringers are from within a 250 mile radius and therefore more resilient to injury? I think I'm misunderstanding your point.
I am saying FL and GA have better draw pools based populations and demographics, hence the schools in state - and the ones close to populations that produce recruits - have a competitive advantage. It would be interesting to correlate injury to recruiting area but not sure that data is available to the average fan. My guess is some injuries are based on predictable risk factors but many are just luck or fate.
What I was more looking at was the maxims of real estate (Location, Location, Location) so a school like Auburn (#2 historically in state) can easily tap export states like AL, GA, and FL based on their location (250 mile radius) so their #2 or #3 on the depth chart can be assembled from a large nearby pool. A school like Missouri or Kentucky does not have this same competitive advantage so they must push harder to overcome the obstacle of location.
This is not a slam on either Missouri or Kentucky, but an observation that based on the lack of sustainable power by either historically their local population pools do not transfer talent in sufficient numbers to make them more dominant in the sport. Conversely, western PA has fueled the football success of both Ohio STate and Penn State with leftovers for West Virginia.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 5:52 pm to Cheese Grits
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This is not a slam on either Missouri or Kentucky,
Yeah it was. It was a statement that Mizzou and UK would not compete in the long term. Stated as fact, not speculation or possibility.
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I am saying FL and GA have better draw pools based populations and demographics, hence the schools in state - and the ones close to populations that produce recruits - have a competitive advantage
Mizzou 41
Georgia 26
Mizzou 36
Florida 17
That's one hell of a competitive advantage there. And with all the great recruits in their 250 mile radius it sure as hell should have equated to them having enough depth to overcome their injuries and defeat a Mizzou team who lacks sustainable power due to geography and who was without its QB and best defensive player at the time....umm, right? Right? Umm...
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:01 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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If Mizzou can succeed in doing that early, like it did against Florida or Vandy...or hell even like we did against South Carolina in the first half, I think we should be OK. Because unfortunately for UK, Robo-Connor Shaw just isn't walking through that door right now in terms of mounting a comeback through the air. If the game starts off 14-3 or 14-0 etc then Mizzou can probably coast. But if its one of those where it goes 14-7 then 17-10 then 20-13 etc as the game goes on, regardless of which team has the lead, then its gonna be trouble against a team that plays hard for a full 60 minutes and is playing at home and can limit Mizzou's offensive possessions using its ground game.
I agree with this. UK has little to no quick strike capability, and Missouri does. If Missouri jumps out to a good lead, it's likely over at that point.
However, we were down 21-0 to USC too, and turned it into a game, so anything is possible.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:02 pm to Cheese Grits
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I am saying FL and GA have better draw pools based populations and demographics, hence the schools in state - and the ones close to populations that produce recruits - have a competitive advantage. It would be interesting to correlate injury to recruiting area but not sure that data is available to the average fan. My guess is some injuries are based on predictable risk factors but many are just luck or fate.
What I was more looking at was the maxims of real estate (Location, Location, Location) so a school like Auburn (#2 historically in state) can easily tap export states like AL, GA, and FL based on their location (250 mile radius) so their #2 or #3 on the depth chart can be assembled from a large nearby pool. A school like Missouri or Kentucky does not have this same competitive advantage so they must push harder to overcome the obstacle of location.
This is not a slam on either Missouri or Kentucky, but an observation that based on the lack of sustainable power by either historically their local population pools do not transfer talent in sufficient numbers to make them more dominant in the sport. Conversely, western PA has fueled the football success of both Ohio STate and Penn State with leftovers for West Virginia.
So basically, this is the underlying reason of the 30 page aTm-Texas thread.
SEC West teams are scared shitless of that potential talent gusher aTm sits on...
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:03 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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That's one hell of a competitive advantage there. And with all the great recruits in their 250 mile radius it sure as hell should have equated to them having enough depth to overcome their injuries and defeat a Mizzou team who lacks sustainable power due to geography and who was without its QB and best defensive player at the time
Missouri's season thus far is their best recruiting tool. UK is recruiting right now off of Stoops reputation. If wins don't occur next season, recruiting could slide for UK.....
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:06 pm to kywildcatfanone
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However, we were down 21-0 to USC too, and turned it into a game, so anything is possible.
Yeah I still don't understand what in the hell happened in that game...was it SC slacking off too early or UK valiantly charging back or a mix of both? Reason I ask is, early in the year SC did a similar thing in their home game against Vandy where they went up by 20 or so real fast and then let the Dores come back in the second half. Spurrier really chewed his team out about finishing games and they finally responded by crushing Arky 52-7....all that said, I did not see the UK-SC game so I just don't have much feel for the dynamics of how the UK rally took place. Main question being, are the guys who led the rally for you in that game still healthy, and are they playing as well/have they played as well since then? If so, color me pretty freaked out about this weekend.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:10 pm to Mizz-SEC
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So basically, this is the underlying reason of the 30 page aTm-Texas thread.
SEC West teams are scared shitless of that potential talent gusher aTm sits on...
Cheese's whole argument is just a silly oversimplification though. Based on that line of thinking alone, the University of North Texas should be a better program than Nebraska based on available talent pool within a 250 mile radius. South Florida should be a better program than Wisconsin. San Jose State should be a better program than Oregon. Cuz hey, recruits within a 250 mile radius and such.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:37 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I think SC got a bit complacent, and we got better as the game went along, so a bit of both. UK really did out play SC in the 2nd half, just was a bit too far down to fully catch up.
Plus we gave up some big plays in the 2nd half. Our defense is gritty, but young and susceptible to failures in the Secondary.
Plus we gave up some big plays in the 2nd half. Our defense is gritty, but young and susceptible to failures in the Secondary.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:40 pm to kywildcatfanone
I was at Commonwealth when we beat USCe in 2010. I don't remember much after the end of the game though. 
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:42 pm to kywildcatfanone
Stoops is doing good things at Kentucky. Give him a few years and I believe they will be competitive in the east
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:53 pm to CatFan81
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I was at Commonwealth when we beat USCe in 2010. I don't remember much after the end of the game though.
Oh yeah, I was there as well. My son was on that team and we celebrated that night! It was a lot of fun finally beating Spurrier.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:55 pm to Agforlife
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Give him a few years and I believe they will be competitive in the east
I think 2 more years. The east is having an identity crisis right now. Who knows what Florida and Georgia will do week to week, and Missouri sure looks to be the best team this year.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 6:59 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Oh yeah, I was there as well. My son was on that team and we celebrated that night! It was a lot of fun finally beating Spurrier.
My boyfriend, a member of Raw Tahd nation, was there too. Even he had fun.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 7:00 pm to Cheese Grits
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#2) Both will struggle long term in the SEC because depth will always be a greater issue than it will for UGA and UF.
So you agree that Mizzou's wins over UGA and UF this year were not due to injuries? Because if depth isn't an issue for them like it is Mizzou, then Mizzou simply won because they are a better team, not because of injuries.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 7:02 pm to kywildcatfanone
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I think 2 more years. The east is having an identity crisis right now. Who knows what Florida and Georgia will do week to week, and Missouri sure looks to be the best team this year.
If we keep up the pace in recruiting and Stoops lives up to expectations when it comes to defense, which is ultimately the bread and butter of powerhouse SEC teams, we will improve greatly. I'm just glad that we only play Bama once every five or six years.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 7:03 pm to Cheese Grits
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while teams with less depth (Mizzou, Kentucky, Vanderbilt) can feel greater pain with the loss of just a player or two.
Besides any other losses, Mizzou was playing without their starting QB and without their #1 defensive back for a number of those games.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 7:05 pm to CatFan81
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Even he had fun.
Everybody dislikes Spurrier.
Posted on 11/7/13 at 7:42 pm to reedus23
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Mizzou was playing without their starting QB and without their #1 defensive back
Are they back this week?
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