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re: Les Miles -- good, lucky, or bad coach?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:21 pm to WDE24
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:21 pm to WDE24
Arizona State(ranked 15 that year I believe), Washington, VT(ranked high),UNC(ranked also). I forget the others but those are 4 quality teams
ETA: MSU instead of VT. VT was week two.
ETA: MSU instead of VT. VT was week two.
This post was edited on 5/16/11 at 12:27 pm
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Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:25 pm to hidolladawgs
Tell me this genius, so he beats your team 6 years in a row and its all b/c of luck/talent ? puhleaze.. Show some respect. that's the point i'm trying to make 
This post was edited on 5/16/11 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:28 pm to hidolladawgs
quote:It would be interesting to see Miles' record verses the spread. Anybody want to find it?
Vegas they don't play favorites.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:34 pm to WDE24
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There are plenty of coaches that do more with less talent.
Name 3.
'Cause I'm looking at this:
Win% since 2005:
1 Boise State 88.6%
2t Ohio State 85.7%
2t Texas Christian 85.7%
4 Florida 81.2%
5t Southern Cal 80.7
5t Texas 80.7%
7 Louisiana State 78.4%
LSU bowl record since 2005:
5-1 (2-0 in BCS bowls)
2 SEC Championships
1 National Championship
If there are "plenty more coaches that do more with less talent" then it shouldn't be hard for you to name 3 of them.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:35 pm to WDE24
I would guess most name programs do poorly against the spread because their name recognition props up betting on their side
Just an idle assumption tho
To me it is more about the Ws and Ls. If LSU were favored in every game and won them all (but fell short against the spread) that would still tell you they were a very good team
That kinda describes what I think about NC teams like 2002 tOSU and 1998 Tenn
Just an idle assumption tho
To me it is more about the Ws and Ls. If LSU were favored in every game and won them all (but fell short against the spread) that would still tell you they were a very good team
That kinda describes what I think about NC teams like 2002 tOSU and 1998 Tenn
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:35 pm to geauxcoco
SO when in the last six yrs has MSU had more talent than LSU.Give me an example of a player that was all american or that went pro from LSU that was not a big time prospect outa high school or tell me a game that miles won when he was the underdog 7pts or more.Good Coaches get the most outa their players.Miles does not get the best outta his players.examples:Jordan Jefferson,Russell Shepard,Brandon Lafell.etc etc.Give examples genius
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:38 pm to hidolladawgs
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was all american or that went pro from LSU that was not a big time prospect outa high school
Off the top of my head, Morris Claiborne was a three star and is projected by some as a possible first round pick.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:38 pm to hidolladawgs
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I believe he is a great recruiter but, by far the worst coach in the SEC.LSU just has so much talent even he can't mess it up.Most of those "GUTSY" calls are boneheaded decisions but because LSU,just out athletes most teams he looks like a genius.His team underachieves every yr.His NC team had 2 losses and that team was loooaded with talent.His good record is the result of having outstanding players not because of good coaching.If you think he is a great coach,then tell me 1 player he developed.That came to LSU unheralded out of high school and he turned into all -american.LSU is always extremely talented,but they play reckless,undisciplined football and that's why they are always a really good team but not near as dominant as they would be with a good coach.jmo btw
you are entitled to your opinion
in fairness to Les I would point out he won a couple last year most did not think he would (going into the game) - esp florida and alabama. A&M was probably viewed as a coin flip but LSU finally showed some offensive firepower in that one
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:38 pm to Tigerfan56
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This. I feel like we could lose 3 games with the schedule and QB we have. If we have a disapointing season Les could be on the hot seat with these expectations we have and the perception of Les that people already have
He was on the hot seat this same exact time last year. His own fans wanted his arse outta BR, mainly because he refused to bow down to the fans demand and wouldn't fire Crowton. (Just sayin)
Beating Floria, Alabama and Houston Nutt helped save his arse and even get him a lucrative contract extension, IMO.
IMO, he's a good recruiter, a good motivator and while he's known to have brain farts at crucial times in some games, he is a decent coach (as reflected in his W-L record.)
Lord knows he has a ton of talent on his team ~ and he's the main man bringing that talent to LSU.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:40 pm to Tigerfan56
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Jordan Jefferson,Russell Shepard,Brandon Lafell
JJ was a three star also if I remember. Not much talent to work with. Russell Shepard is only a junior, has time to develop. Brandon Lafell was a third round draft pick? So because we didn't turn a three star into an elite SEC QB Miles is a bad coach?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:40 pm to Tigerfan56
Really good coach. He's lucky as well, but being lucky in CFB is an asset.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:40 pm to hidolladawgs
your missing the point, if you think it only takes talent to beat an SEC foe 6 years in a row then you are smoking crack....you have to coach that talent it just doesn't happen automatically. and this all goes back to your dumbass original post....which was just stupid coming from a state fan who Miles had made is biotch for 6 straight years 
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:41 pm to G8RnGA
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He could only win with Saban's players. And you can really only judge a coach by comparing him to the jizzinyourpantsness that is Nick Saban.
By this he falls short of being a good coach, so I'll go with lucky that he came behind Nicky and could milk a NC from the guys he put in place for Les.
That's just......ridiculously fantastic.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:41 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Name 3.
Jim Harbaugh
Gary Patterson
Kyle Wittingham
Chip Kelly
Those are just a few guys off the top of my head that are able to consistently coach teams to a better record than their talent would suggest and beat teams that have more talent.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:43 pm to molsusports
quote:Well, then someone should research Les ATS and a few other coaches, Saban, Meyers, Tressel to do the comparison. You might be right, but it may also be a good (but not perfect) indicator of whether his teams are coached well enough to meet or exceed expectations based on LSU's talent and opponents.
I would guess most name programs do poorly against the spread because their name recognition props up betting on their side
Just an idle assumption tho
This post was edited on 5/16/11 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:45 pm to WDE24
he's a good coach and an excellent recruiter and motivator. Too bad I have heartburn watching some of his games. If we win an SEC title or NC this year he goes to great imo.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:46 pm to WDE24
Why does beating the spread matter? Does it matter how much you win by or if you win? Wouldn't a team's coach factor into the spread anyway? So when LSU is favored by a lot or a little it has to do with Miles ability to coach as well.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:50 pm to Tigerfan56
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Why does beating the spread matter? Does it matter how much you win by or if you win? Wouldn't a team's coach factor into the spread anyway? So when LSU is favored by a lot or a little it has to do with Miles ability to coach as well.
You don't know how a betting line is established do you?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:50 pm to gatordmb89
He has had 4 great seasons where he went 45-8 and 4-0 in bowls. In that time he lost to 3 sec champs, 2 natl champs, and 5 teams with 10 plus wins. So he had 2 soso years big deal. The guy can coach and his record proves that.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 12:54 pm to Tigerfan56
quote:Ultimately it doesn't. But how a coach performs against the spread would be one indicator of whether his team played at or above its potential, which is one mark of a good coach. The argument that was going on related to whether Les has a good record due to talent, his coaching or a combination of the two. With Les, there is enough evidence for a reasonable person to argue that it is mostly due to superior talent and his coaching is mediocre. That may not be true, but his decision making has been consistently poor enough for someone to reasonably argue it.
Why does beating the spread matter?
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