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re: Les Miles -- good, lucky, or bad coach?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:44 am to Tigerfan56
Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:44 am to Tigerfan56
I like Les! 
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Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:44 am to LSUdm21
quote:That's debatable, but I don't really care.
Which Les has a pretty good track record of doing.
quote:That is a bit naive.
Expectations aren't really a coaches problem.
quote:Fixed.
Les has been lucky on some days and a goat on others.
In all honesty, if you read my first post, I acknowledged that it was my opinion that he was more lucky than good, but it was hard to argue with his record.
This post was edited on 5/16/11 at 8:45 am
Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:49 am to WDE24
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That's debatable, but I don't really care.
Not really.
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That is a bit naive.
A coach can't control the high/low expectations put on his team. Use this upcoming year as an example. We'll be ranked in the top 5 and a favorite to win it all but why? We return the same QB that couldn't get it done the past 3 years.
quote:So you're saying Les has never had a good coaching day? He's just ALWAYS been lucky?
Fixed.
In all honesty, if you read my first post, I acknowledged that it was my opinion that he was more lucky than good, but it was hard to argue with his record.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:51 am to LSUdm21
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We'll be ranked in the top 5 and a favorite to win it all but why? We return the same QB that couldn't get it done the past 3 years.
This. I feel like we could lose 3 games with the schedule and QB we have. If we have a disapointing season Les could be on the hot seat with these expectations we have and the perception of Les that people already have
Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:52 am to Tigerfan56
Gives me heartburn sometimes, but he's a good and lucky coach.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:54 am to LSUdm21
quote:I didn't say a coach could control it (although they do try to manage it). I just said it was naive to think expectations aren't the coach's problem. Also, a coach does partially control whether his team meets or exceeds expectations, so it is still one way to measure a coach's ability, which was the point.
A coach can't control the high/low expectations put on his team. Use this upcoming year as an example. We'll be ranked in the top 5 and a favorite to win it all but why? We return the same QB that couldn't get it done the past 3 years.
quote:Clearly that is what I said.
So you're saying Les has never had a good coaching day? He's just ALWAYS been lucky?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 8:56 am to Quigley
Gonna have to go with an old Lombardi quote to describe Les
"Luck is where preparation meets opportunity."
His team are too consistently good for me to consider him lucky. And seriously every chance they take and convert, it means that they've prepared well enough to execute.
The first couple of seasons I really though he was lucky, but to be as consistent as he has, it can't be luck.
"Luck is where preparation meets opportunity."
His team are too consistently good for me to consider him lucky. And seriously every chance they take and convert, it means that they've prepared well enough to execute.
The first couple of seasons I really though he was lucky, but to be as consistent as he has, it can't be luck.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:02 am to RolltidePA
ALl good coaches have a little luck on their side as well.
I think Les is a good coach and has lcuk with him.
I think Les is a good coach and has lcuk with him.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:03 am to Thracken13
I think he's a really good coach. His teams are guilty of playing to their level of competition at times, but that is normal for a lot of teams.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:26 am to Kid Charlemagne
excellent recruiter, balls of steel, great motivator, outstanding character and leadership, questionable clock-management and x's and o's.... 
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:30 am to Tigerfan53
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excellent recruiter, balls of steel, great motivator, outstanding character and leadership, questionable clock-management and x's and o's....
This is the most ignorant thing regurgitated on this site about Les. Please elaborate......
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:32 am to LSUdm21
He could only win with Saban's players. And you can really only judge a coach by comparing him to the jizzinyourpantsness that is Nick Saban.
By this he falls short of being a good coach, so I'll go with lucky that he came behind Nicky and could milk a NC from the guys he put in place for Les.
By this he falls short of being a good coach, so I'll go with lucky that he came behind Nicky and could milk a NC from the guys he put in place for Les.
This post was edited on 5/16/11 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:35 am to G8RnGA
ill give him the balls of steel compliment for what he did to us a few years ago to end the game - noone figured he would pull a fake - and he burned the shite out of us.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:38 am to G8RnGA
I hate it when LSU fans start shite like this on this board. You're basically giving everyone free reign to flame away
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:39 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
at "lucky" responses. how many times is he going to be "lucky" before most of you realize that's "Just Les."
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:39 am to G8RnGA
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He could only win with Saban's players. And you can really only judge a coach by comparing him to the jizzinyourpantsness that is Nick Saban.
By this he falls short of being a good coach, so I'll go with lucky that he came behind Nicky and could milk a NC from the guys he put in place for Les.
I like you.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:41 am to WDE24
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Thus, in my mind, he is extremely lucky, but I can't really argue with a fan that wants to defend him
I tend to agree with this. But, luck tends to even out over time and Miles just comtinues to win. And manages to do so with terrible QB play.
I am beginning to think he may be a little better coach than we give him credit for. I know it can be hard though with some of the strange things he does.
Another reason I think he may actually be a bit underrated as a coach: He was the one who began to turn Okie State around and won some big games with far less talent than some of the opposing coaches.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:48 am to memphis tiger
He's a decent coach who has had luck on his side.. Will it repeat this year, who knows..
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:52 am to Tigerfan56
Good recruiter, admin, and motivator. Only other SEC coach as close to being as Bat-Shite Crazy as the Nuttster.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:55 am to WDE24
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I can measure a teams success against its expectations to see how much they exceeded or fell short of expectations.
by that rational Saban is the worst coach in the league because he only has one NC at Bama. He is expected to win it every year.
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