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re: Lattimore, Jeffery want South Carolina to rename Strom Thurmond Wellness Center

Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:25 pm to
They don’t actually care about black slaves. It’s just a convenient way to get white liberals and inner city blacks to side with them in their war against western civilization and capitalism.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78332 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:28 pm to
I don’t get republican ignoring what happened with the parties in the 60s.

Go look at the 1964 and 1968 presidential
Maps.

The Deep South Stopped being Democrat’s for some reason.

Did everyone in the Deep South start loving Lincoln?



Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41029 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:29 pm to
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Carolus is Latin for Charles. 

Carolina does not exist in Latin. 

Were you just roleplaying Ernie, or did you actually believe that dumb shite?

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Carolina is from the Latin word for Charles (Carolus) honoring King Charles I of England (who made the original land grant in 1629). 

Who the frick do you think the state was named for then?

State Symbols
Posted by Carolina_Girl
South Cackalacky
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:33 pm to
Love when arse clowns from other states try to teach those of us born and raised here about our own f'ing state.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:51 pm to
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They don’t actually care about black slaves. It’s just a convenient way to get white liberals and inner city blacks to side with them in their war against western civilization and capitalism.


Of course it is. PeeJay is one of them. If fans turn away from the game and teams fold, PeeJay will be the first one crying racism.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7701 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:51 pm to
Well to be historically accurate, it wasn’t clear at the time that states couldn’t secede. It had never been decided as a matter of law. There were many at the time who legitimately believed states were legally entitled to secede. There were no treason trials in large part because it wasn’t clear that those who fought for the Confederacy could be convicted of treason.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:53 pm to
Bingo.

Always the victim. I personally have never been less engaged in the off-season than this year and for the first time in my life, I don’t really care if it comes back or not.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
45511 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:19 pm to
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The other segregationist senators did not bail on the Democrat party. Strom was the only one. It was Democrats including Al Gore's father that filibustered the CIvil Rights Act.

trying to link 'the south' to racism rather than the Democratic party is the standard trick Democrats use.

They still use the Democratic Party name despite it being Tillman, Strom, etc party.


Both of Tennessee's Senators, Al Gore Sr. and Estes Kefauver (who played Tackle and Guard for the Vols, btw), refused to sign Thurmond's Southern Manifesto. Together with New Dealer, and Senate Leader Lyndon Baines Johnson from Texas, they were the only 3 Senators from former Confederate States that refused to sign.**

Now Tennessee has a very different political history than the rest of the South. East, Tennessee tried multiple times to secede from the secession and suffered an armed occupation after the first vote to get the state into the war failed because the East refused to play along. We were also the only Confederate state whose representatives remained in US Congress because they refused to acknowledge the Condederacy and kept on serving the people of East, TN who elected them. Traditionally, Tennesseans guarded the POTUS because we were considered the most fiercely Unionist region in the entire United States during the Civil War and lead up to it (pretty sure that tradition has died off tho). We also had that dude who was Lincoln's Veep and would become president and on and on.

Suffice it to say our history doesn't align well with the rest of the Deep South. East, Tennessee along with some of the more ornery Northern Alabamiams and Georgians fought for the Union and did so at a high price. It's unsurprising our Senators voted the way they did. And it's also unsurprising that Johnson, who'd been a staunch New Dealer under FDR and funneled a ton of money to help Latino school children, told Strom to frick off.

Otherwise, the South did and does have issues with race, particularly when it comes to both slavery and segregation. That doesn't mean the rest of the nation doesn't have it's own fricked up history but it's dumb as hell to deny we have a particularly nasty history as a region. We do. Post-war we had Jim Crow and fought like hell to keep it. Those statues and names are there to remind us of it.

**There were a few from border states that also refused.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 6:24 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:27 pm to
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Comparing Hitler to Thomas Jefferson?


Technically, I was comparing Strom Thurmond to Hitler.

Not getting the point? Sounds right for the snowflake crowd.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41029 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:31 pm to
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Technically, I was comparing Strom Thurmond to Hitler. 

The man who obtained a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star and 2 Legions of Merit fighting the Nazi's in World War II being compared to Hitler. This is what Cancel Culture looks like folks.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
45511 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:33 pm to
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The man who obtained a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star and 2 Legions of Merit fighting the Nazi's in World War II being compared to Hitler. This is what Cancel Culture looks like folks.


Hitler loved animals and was a vegetarian. Pretty sure he served his country honorably in the first World War as well. I'm not building him a statue or naming my first born after him because of it.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 6:35 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41029 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:35 pm to
Do you not see the idiocy in comparing a man to the very people he fought against in World War II?
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:38 pm to
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The man who obtained a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star and 2 Legions of Merit fighting the Nazi's in World War II being compared to Hitler. This is what Cancel Culture looks like folks.



So? He liked murdering Nazis. I get that. How does that make him less racist? Or do medals automatically give someone a "Get out of racism free" card that I missed?
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
45511 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:39 pm to
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Do you not see the idiocy in comparing a man to the very people he fought against in World War II?


Do you not see the idiocy in saying 'nah, man it's ok, dude fought in a war?'
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41029 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:41 pm to
Hitler killed 6 million Jews and other undesirables and started a world war that led to the death of 70-85 million people. Strom Thurmond was for most of his life a segregationist. To compare the two is intellectually dishonest.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41029 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:44 pm to
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Do you not see the idiocy in saying 'nah, man it's ok, dude fought in a war?' ?

The poster compared Strom to Hitler. If Strom were such a Nazi sympathizer, why would he fight against them? It's like comparing a Scandinavian socialist to Pol Pot.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:44 pm to
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Hitler killed 6 million Jews and other undesirables and started a world war that led to the death of 70-85 million people. Strom Thurmond was for most of his life a segregationist. To compare the two is intellectually dishonest.


Thomas Jefferson was a man from nearly 200 years prior, who raised black children and was considered progressive for his time. Strom Thurmond didn't want black people in his house, church or pool. To compare the two is intellectually dishonest.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:45 pm to
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The poster compared Strom to Hitler. If Strom were such a Nazi sympathizer, why would he fight against them? It's like comparing a Scandinavian socialist to Pol Pot.


Comparing two people because of a shared character trait (being racist) is not the same as saying they held the exact same beliefs.

Would it make more sense to you if I found a black man who said white people shouldn't be allowed in his church or his pools? Would that be easier for you to get?
Posted by BossBailey345
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:46 pm to
Of course because you are a racist, and you can engage my dick in your mouth...
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41029 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:47 pm to
Strom Thurmond was born less than 80 years after Jefferson's death and lived most of his life in a time and place where segregation was the law and custom. He was no Ben Tillman, Cole Blease or Cotton Ed Smith.
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