re: Last Days In The Big12

It's still alive to my knowledge. Y'all left, and so did we.

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TexasTiger08

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Go and see if you can find out why the north division became an afterthought.

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Go and see if you can find out why the north division became an afterthought.

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Let me guess, big bad Tejas?

It became an afterthought because Mack Brown and Bob Stoops lit the fire under two programs. And it’s not like aTm was dogshit.

Nebraska’s ace in the hole

Circa 2004 until aTm’s departure, it really was entertaining. You had cutting edge offenses engaging in shootouts each week. That wasn’t yet the norm in college football.

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You had cutting edge offenses engaging in shootouts each week. That wasn’t yet the norm in college football.

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I still believe that was a product of Mike Leach trying to compensate for lesser athletes at the LOS. His ideas (I know he wasn't the sole inventor or even the original inventor, it was Mummy) - but his ideas spread to the other Big 12 teams. And that was to execute an offense built on quick-strike pass patterns with 4 and sometimes 5 WR's lined up in space.

Having said that, I f'ng hated that crap. Sounds like a bunch of people in this thread liked it. I didn't. I was always more fond of the balanced, SEC teams.

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I still believe that was a product of Mike Leach trying to compensate for lesser athletes at the LOS. His ideas (I know he wasn't the sole inventor or even the original inventor, it was Mummy) - but his ideas spread to the other Big 12 teams. And that was to execute an offense built on quick-strike pass patterns with 4 and sometimes 5 WR's lined up in space.

Having said that, I f'ng hated that crap. Sounds like a bunch of people in this thread liked it. I didn't. I was always more fond of the balanced, SEC teams.

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Man there was so much innovation there if you’re a football nerd. Get the book by smart football that go over the history of the offfenses.

VY and Greg taking the zone read spread and making it the most dominant offense in CFB (still is, the bones of it at least, by trophy count). The innovation to the spread definitely tracks to these B12 coaches.

Leach and the Air Raid built from the old bones of the Air Coryell offense.

Run pass option (RPO) and No huddle/ up Tempo are all traced to the B12 golden days.

Baylor’s use of the spread.

Gary patterson’s use of the 3-3-5 to try and slow down these offenses.

There’s so much history in that big 12 offensive golden era. Unfortunately, it was a bit lopsided and defenses suffered in that time.

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Please show me that 5th one?

How many Big 12 championships does each team have?

Championships by team

Team Big 12 Championships Years
Oklahoma* 14 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020
Texas* 4 1996, 2005, 2009, 2023
Baylor 3 2013, 2014, 2021
Kansas State 3 2003, 2012, 2022
Nebraska* 2 1997, 1999
Colorado* 1 2001
Oklahoma State 1 2011
TCU 1 2014
Texas A&M* 1 1998

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Please respect the other teams that took it away from Oklahoma after 2020. Oklahoma hasn't won the Big 12 championship since 2020. Oklahoma won't do any better in the SEC. People see Oklahoma nowadays as an afterthought.

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See Texas A&M on the list I see Colorado and Nebraska also but someone is missing who could it be?

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Missouri would have stayed in the Big 12 if it weren’t for OU’s Boren holding a press conference at the same time as Mizzou’s Chancellor Brady speaking as Big 12 Chair. Brady was speaking of unity in the conference at the same time Boren held a press conference saying OU was not going to be a wall flower in conference realignment.

Brady saw that, said frick this and called Bernie Machen at Florida and said we want in the SEC.

well the ‘’last Days in the Big 12” were bad. As soon as it was announced we were going into he SEC the refs used the subjectively called penanlties to influence games away from OU and Texas. There was one season where holding was called against the OU conference opponent a total of about 3 times in that entire season, while OU had about 5 holding calls a game. I believe there was a season where Texas had no holding calls against them for a conference season. PI calls were the other “subjective “ way to control a game that last game against Okie St the non-called obvious PI by Stoops defender in the end zone gave the game to Okie St.

Those last couple of years the Big 12 was bush league. I am glad we are in the SEC for other reasons but a more level playing field is welcome.

The Big 8 was great. Even with just 8 teams one year the Big 8 had the #1,#2,,#3 ranked teams. The Big 12 had some good years the HS 7 on 7 movement in Texas generated lots of great QB, WR, and DBs many played in the Big 12 many in the SEC. the later move by some schools in the Big 12 to hire National Champ HC from lower levels lead to coaching innovations and different game time coaching that changed the game from the same old same old, you had to expect the unexpected.

I am really pumped to be in the SEC and to play the schedule we have this year even though it seems like we have a much tougher conference schedule than most in the SEC this year. We return the most defensive production in the SEC, we a 5* QB that was #1 QB his year, we have an OL coach that always replaces a handful of NFL draftees with future NFL draftees, and we finally have a place kicker. If our QB plays to his potential the sky is the limit.