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re: Kirby Smart nearing retirement from this statement
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:05 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:05 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I have heard that he says it at TD Club meetings also. Of course that could all be saying what they want to hear but I have heard it from multiple people.
It'd be a fool who did not notice the grind. It may just be him venting about it. I certainly hope so!
To be honest, 58-62 is what I expect for Kirby to retire at.
10-14 more years. I don't think he'll go as long as Saban is, but he's only 48.
Someone mentioned Matt Luke earlier when he retired from football at UGA. Let's not forget he unretired last year and was coaching the OL for Clemson. Kirby has enough examples like that around him to know that he should be sure he's done with coaching when he retires.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:10 pm to Opry
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Yep, without NFL talent Saban wouldn't have outcoached anyone.
Safe to assume any coach that has talent isn’t a great coach. You are brilliant.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:21 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Don’t blame him one bit. As much as I can’t stand Matt Luke, he did it right by getting his buyout from Ole Miss, getting paid well by UGA a few years along with a title and hanging it up.
Luke just got back into it taking the Clemson OL job
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:53 pm to DawginSC
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Lol.
His greatest obstacle just left and now he's going to leave because he's "scared"?
I love the incomprehensible stupidity in your mindset.
It's funny people think Saban himself was the biggest obstacle, and not what he built.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:57 pm to Opry
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Yep, without NFL talent Saban wouldn't have outcoached anyone.
This is straight up horseshite. I hope you are being sarcastic and I missed it, but you are always so negative I doubt it.
Alabama players are known to be better coached up by a large margin than any other school out there. NFL teams know they are getting a bit extra when they get an Alabama player.
I've even seen it used as arguments against Alabama players. That they are coached up so well, they are already close to their ceiling, while other players have "potential". Like when people were comparing Amari Cooper vs White. Turns out that potential works both ways.
And he actually did worse the more talent he got at Alabama, not better.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:00 pm to MightyYat
quote:NIL is one thing, that wide open transfer portal literally forcing coaches to have to re-recruit his own roster every few months is altogether something else.
I can imagine a lot of coach are going to get worn out dealing with the NIL shite.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:11 pm to Opry
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Yep, without NFL talent Saban wouldn't have outcoached anyone.
How dumb does a person have to be to actually believe this?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:25 pm to Opry
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Yep, without NFL talent Saban wouldn't have outcoached anyone.
Does that really matter though?
What if Saban was so paranoid that people might find out he sucked on gameday that he stacked his roster and outworked the opposing coaches to win 7 championships?
Is that still a bad "coach"?
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:26 pm to 3down10
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It's funny people think Saban himself was the biggest obstacle, and not what he built.
Bear Bryant was the biggest obstacle for other coaches while he was in football.
"What he built" resulted in 8-4, 5-6, 8-2-1 and 10-3 seasons from Ray Perkins, followed by 7-5, 9-3 and 10-2 seasons from Bill Curry before Gene Stallings turned Bama into a championship team again.
The reality is it's more about the coaches than what they "build". What Spurrier built resulted in 8, 8 and 7 wins seasons from Zook. What Meyer built resulted in 7, 11, 4 and 7 win seasons from Muschamp. What Fulmer built resulted in 7, 6, 5, 5, 5 and 7 win seasons from Kiffin/Dooley/Jones at Tennessee. What Mack Brown built resulted in 6, 5 and 5 win seasons from Strong at Texas.
If the new coach has it, Bama will keep winning. If he doesn't, they won't. Neither will be a result of a legacy from Saban. It will be entirely built on how good Deboer is.
The only examples of a coach doing well due to what's left over are 1-2 season successes that didn't last. Chizik winning with mostly Tubberville guys in 2010 or Coker winning with Butch Davis guys for a couple of years at Miami before fading.
Again, I'm not saying Deboer won't be a championship winning coach. He came close to winning a title at Washington. If anything I think it's likely. But that's because Deboer is a pretty darn good coach, not because Saban built something for him.
Saban was Kirby's biggest issue. Maybe Deboer will become his biggest obstacle going forward, but it won't be because of Saban if it happens. It will be because of Deboer. If Bama had hired Muschamp or Butch Jones or Mike Shula it wouldn't have mattered.
Good coaches at good programs win of their own ability.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:34 pm to DawginSC
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Bear Bryant was the biggest obstacle for other coaches while he was in football.
"What he built" resulted in 8-4, 5-6, 8-2-1 and 10-3 seasons from Ray Perkins, followed by 7-5, 9-3 and 10-2 seasons from Bill Curry before Gene Stallings turned Bama into a championship team again.
Bear Bryant was also the biggest obstacle for Alabama after he died, but please go on.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 2:42 pm to DawginSC
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The reality is it's more about the coaches than what they "build". What Spurrier built resulted in 8, 8 and 7 wins seasons from Zook. What Meyer built resulted in 7, 11, 4 and 7 win seasons from Muschamp. What Fulmer built resulted in 7, 6, 5, 5, 5 and 7 win seasons from Kiffin/Dooley/Jones at Tennessee. What Mack Brown built resulted in 6, 5 and 5 win seasons from Strong at Texas.
I guess Georgia fans must be thrilled with what Mark Richt built.
The majority of the people you are mentioning had the game leave them by before they left. Mack Brown lost his mind after 2009 for example, Fulmer got fired and Meyer was able to have success because of what Spurrier built.
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If the new coach has it, Bama will keep winning. If he doesn't, they won't. Neither will be a result of a legacy from Saban. It will be entirely built on how good Deboer is.
Just like Les Miles at LSU?
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The only examples of a coach doing well due to what's left over are 1-2 season successes that didn't last. Chizik winning with mostly Tubberville guys in 2010 or Coker winning with Butch Davis guys for a couple of years at Miami before fading.
Those are the only examples huh?
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Again, I'm not saying Deboer won't be a championship winning coach. He came close to winning a title at Washington. If anything I think it's likely. But that's because Deboer is a pretty darn good coach, not because Saban built something for him.
Yeah, I'm sure he didn't come to Alabama because he wanted to take over the best program in college football.
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Saban was Kirby's biggest issue. Maybe Deboer will become his biggest obstacle going forward, but it won't be because of Saban if it happens. It will be because of Deboer. If Bama had hired Muschamp or Butch Jones or Mike Shula it wouldn't have mattered.
I think you really want to believe this.
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Good coaches at good programs win of their own ability.
So basically, you're praying and hoping Alabama hired a bad coach and basing your entire argument on that assumption.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:09 pm to 3down10
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I guess Georgia fans must be thrilled with what Mark Richt built.
Mark Richt is absolutely responsible for where UGA is today. The institutional changes Richt facilitated made it possible for Smart to enjoy the success he has. I would bet without Richt or someone making those changes Smart doesn't come to UGA. Prior to Richt UGA was not committed to expending the resources necessary to win at the highest level. That changed with Richt. Not completely but he opened the door and let the light shine in. Mark Richt was, prior to Smart, the best thing to ever happen to UGA football.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:15 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Mark Richt is absolutely responsible for where UGA is today. The institutional changes Richt facilitated made it possible for Smart to enjoy the success he has. I would bet without Richt or someone making those changes Smart doesn't come to UGA. Prior to Richt UGA was not committed to expending the resources necessary to win at the highest level. That changed with Richt. Not completely but he opened the door and let the light shine in. Mark Richt was, prior to Smart, the best thing to ever happen to UGA football.
I think Richt was a great coach, but I'm not sure I can agree much beyond that.
I don't think he opened the door for Kirby, or that Kirby only came because of what Richt built. I think Kirby went to Georgia because he is an alum and it was his dream job. I think he would have done the same things regardless.
And we all know damn good and well what Kirby did when he got there, and it wasn't building off what Richt built.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:16 pm to AwgustaDawg
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he calls it quit after next season
Yeah, he sees the writing on the wall. Heupel is building a monster, and Kirby wants to get out before he becomes the next victim.
Yeah, he sees the writing on the wall. Heupel is building a monster, and Kirby wants to get out before he becomes the next victim.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:20 pm to nicholastiger
I support Kirby in his decision to retire if he decides to. 
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:22 pm to AulderMagee
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he calls it quit after next season Yeah, he sees the writing on the wall. Heupel is building a monster, and Kirby wants to get out before he becomes the next victim.
Heupel will be fired within 3 years. Kirby will win another NC in that time.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:26 pm to DawginSC
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so he switched to Tua and a pass first approach mid game and won the title.
To be perfectly honest, the ability to change his philosophy mid game like that is one of the greatest coaching moments ever. It's why he's the GOAT
oh goodness gracious. This is literally the exact opposite of reality. It wasn't some grand strategic masterpiece of a tactical genius, it was literally a desperation move and the only bullet left to fire after being backed into a coern with truly zero other options. Yes the outcome is the exact same whichever way you choose to look at it but let's be honest with ourselves here and look at facts. We were up 13-0 at halftime. Let that sink in...alabama scored ZERO POINTS in the first half. Hurts was a lousy passer his entire career up to and including that game, but they were good enoguh elsewhere and overmatched opponents to the point that it never came to a head. A couple weeks before they escaped MSU late in a game they probably shoudl have lost which was a wakeup call, but they still didn' bench him and kept him as the starter.
So let me ask you. If you've got a QB that can't pass and has been lucky to retain his starting job the last few games, you're in the national title game, your defense is playing well, but your offense has scored...ZERO POINTS, what other choice do you think you're left with?
Again it was absolute desperation and the only possible remaining option left. The fact that it worked absolved him but let's not make it out to be some galaxy-brained 5D underwater upside down chess move when it really wasn't. A TRUE mastermind decision that would take massive cajones would've been to start Tua for that game period and not let themselves get down 13-0 to begin with.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:29 pm to 3down10
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I think Richt was a great coach, but I'm not sure I can agree much beyond that.
I don't think he opened the door for Kirby, or that Kirby only came because of what Richt built. I think Kirby went to Georgia because he is an alum and it was his dream job. I think he would have done the same things regardless.
And we all know damn good and well what Kirby did when he got there, and it wasn't building off what Richt built.
The program was ready for the next step when Richt was fired. Richt did that. The programmatic changes that took place when Mark Richt was coaching at UGA were HUGE. Smart has said so himself, numerous times. Had those changes not taken place at UGA Mark Richt would not have averaged 10 wins a season He would not have lasted 14 years at UGA. UGA would have, most likely, continued to hire coaches who managed to win more than they lost, the supporters would have been good for years 2-4 and by year 5 the search would be on again. Mark Richt corrected the ship after Dooley's departure...UGA was in a BAD place programmatically when he was hired. He managed to get the university and the boosters to expect more than 8-4 seasons. UGA would have had a series of bad coaching decisions dating back to Dooley leaving the year that Smart was hired. Being an alumni is one thing but having a job at a university willing to use its resources to help you succeed is a whole other can o worms. UGA was not that University until Mark Richt made them that University. UGA fans largely understand and appreciate what Mark Richt did for UGA. It is no small thing, it has made a helluva difference.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:30 pm to Dawgfanman
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Heupel will be fired within 3 years
That's what you said 3 years ago, so I'll take your prediction with all the consideration it deserves.
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Kirby will win another NC in that time.
He's gone after this year. He has no fire left, it's obvious.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:33 pm to Dawgfanman
What has Kirby to coach for? He has already done everything there is to do. Let him enjoy his retirement while he is still young.
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