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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:37 pm
Posted by VFL67
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:37 pm
Auburn and Tennessee are the only two schools in the SEC with a player in the NFL, NBA, and MLB hall of fame. Have to think LSU will be next, still surprisingly needing an MLB Hall of Famer.

Tennessee has 3 NFL, 1 NBA, 1 MLB, and 27 College football
Auburn has 2 NFL, 1 NBA, 1 MLB, and 14 college football

Bias aside, it's hard to say Tennessee hasn't produced the best 3 players in the big 3 sports.

Peyton Manning, Bernard King, and Todd Helton: who can beat that big 3?
Posted by AHM21
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:40 pm to
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Bias aside, it's hard to say Tennessee hasn't produced the best 3 players in the big 3 sports.


Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley and Frank Thomas
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:41 pm to
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Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley and Frank Thomas


That should settle that.
Posted by VFL67
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:42 pm to
Bo Jackson was a great college player and overall athlete. But Peyton Manning is one of the greatest players in football history (highschool, college, and pros). They aren't close.

Outside of a heisman there is no metric that supports Bo Jackson being better than Peyton or Reggie White tbh. Bo Jacksons football success was for 4 years in college. Reggie White and Peyton Manning were top players in football for 15-20 years lol
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Hback
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:44 pm to
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Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley and Frank Thomas

Posted by AHM21
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:45 pm to
Ok but when you factor in all three, Tennessee isn’t close.
Posted by VFL67
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:48 pm to
Idk im not opposed to saying Auburns is better but its closer than people will admit

Peyton or Reggie White > Bo Jackson
Bernard King < Charles Barkley
Todd Helton = Frank Thomas (this is a lot closer than people think)
Posted by tigerbait17
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:51 pm to
I would have to assume LSU does not have a baseball player in the hall of fame?
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Champs
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:51 pm to
albert belle wouldve had a shot in MLB if he wasnt such a prick
Posted by lsufball19
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:54 pm to
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Todd Helton = Frank Thomas (this is a lot closer than people think)

it's not as close as you think. Thomas was a first ballot HOFer. It took Helton 6 tries.

Thomas has a significant edge in WAR, ~150 more HRS, 300 more RBIs, and a higher career OBP, SLG, OPS, and the OPS+ isn't even close. And Thomas didn't do all of that playing at Coors Field.

Helton basically has him beat in career batting average and in the field.
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 1:58 pm
Posted by lsufball19
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 1:57 pm to
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I would have to assume LSU does not have a baseball player in the hall of fame?

There's only 3 SEC schools who do, and one of those players pre-dated the SEC. Joe Sewell of Alabama who played at Alabama from 1917-1919. Th e only other players are Frank Thomas and Todd Helton. It's the hardest HOF to make and most of the inductees never went to college
Posted by VFL67
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:01 pm to
Helton has higher batting average, more hits (in fewer years) and was a lot better fielder highlighted by his 3 golden gloves compared to Thomas's zero. Helton was robbed of the MVP and possibly another by Barry Bonds steriods use. The whole argument about the Coors Field (which is dumb) is the only reason Helton wasn't in the HOF earlier. Helton also won the Dick Howser trophy in college and was a way better college player. Im biased but when you add Helton's fielding, play across college and pros, and the fact that he almost accomplished the same batting stats as Thomas in less time, its not a runaway for Thomas.
Posted by VFL67
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:03 pm to
And even though Barkley was a better pro than Bernard King, King was a way more accomplished college player. King just was super injury prone in the pros and still made the HOF
Posted by lsufball19
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:09 pm to
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Helton has higher batting average, more hits (in fewer years) and was a lot better fielder highlighted by his 3 golden gloves compared to Thomas's zero. Helton was robbed of the MVP and possibly another by Barry Bonds steriods use. The whole argument about the Coors Field (which is dumb) is the only reason Helton wasn't in the HOF earlier. Helton also won the Dick Howser trophy in college and was a way better college player. Im biased but when you add Helton's fielding, play across college and pros, and the fact that he almost accomplished the same batting stats as Thomas in less time, its not a runaway for Thomas.

here is the side by side comparison for the two. It really isn't as close as you want it to be.

LINK

And what years did Bonds rob Helton of the MVP? Helton's highest finish in MVP voting was 5th. And no, park adjusted stats are not dumb.
Posted by tigerbait17
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:12 pm to
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There's only 3 SEC schools who do, and one of those players pre-dated the SEC. Joe Sewell of Alabama who played at Alabama from 1917-1919. Th e only other players are Frank Thomas and Todd Helton. It's the hardest HOF to make and most of the inductees never went to college


Very interesting considering the success we have had since the 90's. We have one coming no doubt about it.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:15 pm to
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We have one coming no doubt about it.

Skenes is the only active player with any shot. No one retired from LSU is getting in. Bregman would have to play another 8-10 years and hit like he was before he got hurt this year to have any sort of argument. Nola fell off the map after a promising start to his career.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:17 pm to
Manning > Bo Jackson
Barkley > King
Thomas > Helton

Auburn wins this one.
Posted by Dawg4Life47
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:19 pm to
Peyton's forehead growth since college is one of the greatest things to witness and it's not close
Posted by VFL67
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:20 pm to
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here is the side by side comparison for the two. It really isn't as close as you want it to be.


I mean Thomas did play for longer and was the better hitter I wouldn't doubt that. But Helton being lightyears ahead of him fielding has to count for something. Also Heltons college career needs to count for something too.

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And what years did Bonds rob Helton of the MVP?


I was wrong it was the year Jeff Kent won in 2000. Its well documented that Helton got screwed.

LINK

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And no, park adjusted stats are not dumb.


Why put a baseball team in Colorado if you are just going to nitpick the players who get drafted there? No one penalizes other players who play in weird parks. Its only Rockies players.

Either way got a ton of respect for both players since they never were accused of PEDs or any other cheating.

This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 2:23 pm
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 2:33 pm to
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albert belle wouldve had a shot in MLB if he wasnt such a prick


Belle would have been a shoe-in if not for his degenerative hip condition.

Realize he hit .281 with 23 HR and 103 RBI in his last season when he could barely run.

This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 2:34 pm
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