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Posted on 4/15/12 at 5:33 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 4/15/12 at 5:33 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And thanks for being part of the problem.
Belle, not trying to be part of the problem, just observing you have to walk before you run. You have to get the Spurrier, Vol, Gator monkey off your back first. If Kentucky went 6-6 for the next 25 years but never beat South Carolina, Tennessee, or Florida during that time - would you consider Kentucky a success? Would media outside of Kentucky portray them as a success?
Kentucky is a small school in a small state, so you have to give up one thing to get another. Alabama has football and Kentucky has basketball. Do you think either state would give up their flagship program in trade for the other sport? More importantly coaches have egos. What is the reason schools do not win in multiple sports? Can you imagine Saban and Cal at the same school fighting for the same donor dollars? Texas is still a football school, and Kansas is still a basketball school.
My original thought is right now Kentucky is having success in multiple sports so enjoy it while you have it. It can not last forever.
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Posted on 4/15/12 at 5:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 4/15/12 at 5:38 pm to Jerry the Clown
Posted on 4/15/12 at 5:41 pm to Cheese Grits
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My original thought is right now Kentucky is having success in multiple sports so enjoy it while you have it. It can not last forever.
I am enjoying it. Multitasking it a beautiful thing.
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Belle, not trying to be part of the problem, just observing you have to walk before you run. You have to get the Spurrier, Vol, Gator monkey off your back first. If Kentucky went 6-6 for the next 25 years but never beat South Carolina, Tennessee, or Florida during that time - would you consider Kentucky a success? Would media outside of Kentucky portray them as a success?
We were in better shape in the seasons we didn't beat those teams late in Brooks tenure when we were consistently winning and going to bowl games. Joker has shot to shite everything Brooks built up. It's not much to ask to at least maintain that which he hasn't by a long shot.
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Kentucky is a small school in a small state, so you have to give up one thing to get another. Alabama has football and Kentucky has basketball. Do you think either state would give up their flagship program in trade for the other sport? More importantly coaches have egos. What is the reason schools do not win in multiple sports? Can you imagine Saban and Cal at the same school fighting for the same donor dollars? Texas is still a football school, and Kansas is still a basketball school.
No you don't have to give one thing up to have the other. Kentucky would have marked improvement if they actual opened up their pocketbook for a good coach. Florida is a good example of achieving success in multiple programs across the board. It can be done, but UKAA chooses not to.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:11 pm to WildcatMike
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If Petrino finds a sex rehab stint and religion, then he may have a shot getting back to being a head coach...but, it will take a lot of realizing his ways and convincing Mitch he is a man of "God" (I kid).
Pitino once coached at Kentucky now he coaches at Louisville.
Petrino once coached at Louisville...could he one day coach at Kentucky?
Their names even sound similar.
Funny how things work out some times.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:24 pm to GABlueDog
It'll never happen....trust me
Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
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No you don't have to give one thing up to have the other. Kentucky would have marked improvement if they actual opened up their pocketbook for a good coach. Florida is a good example of achieving success in multiple programs across the board. It can be done, but UKAA chooses not to.
Florida is a terrible example!
Florida = huge population + big corporate dollars + fertile recruiting / net exporter
Kentucky = tiny population + local or regional dollars + limited recruits / net importer
Arkansas is closer to Kentucky in population and recruits, but they still have Wal Mart, Tyson, JB Hunt, Stephens, Murphy Oil, and Dillards in the state to name a few. Louisville has YUM and Papa John's headquartered there, what home grown Fortune 500 company is based in Lexington?
Top schools by sports revenue
#3 Alabama @ 124 Million per year
#4 Florida @ 123 Million per year
#7 LSU @ 106 Million per year
#9 Auburn @ 104 Million per year
#10 Tennessee @ 102 Million per year
#14 Georgia @ 92 Million per year
#15 Arkansas @ 92 Million per year
#19 Kentucky @ 85 Million per year
That means Kentucky is roughly 40 Million dollars below Florida each and every year! Corporations can close that gap, but what individual in the state of Kentucky can write the K Fund a check every year for 1 Million? How many can give 10 Million per year?
If Kentucky was a single state school in an area with a Fortune 50 company or two I would agree with you 100% but until that happens they are limited by the size of their resources.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:37 pm to Cheese Grits
Horse racing/breeding and Eastern Kentucky coal interests have no problem bank rolling projects they want to fund. It's up to the AD to get them to fund what is needed, not just want they want want to throw money at. The Kraft Center comes to mind...
If Barnhart could have delivered on facility upgrades as he promised Brooks, he'd still be on the sidelines in Lexington.
Brooks wasn't flashy or fancy, but his teams would smack you in the mouth. Hard nosed.
Joker...eh not so much.
If Barnhart could have delivered on facility upgrades as he promised Brooks, he'd still be on the sidelines in Lexington.
Brooks wasn't flashy or fancy, but his teams would smack you in the mouth. Hard nosed.
Joker...eh not so much.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:57 pm to TabascoCAT
Kentucky could be good if they wanted to be. Its a matter of priority. I knew from the moment they placed Joker as Head Coach in waiting that we shite the bed. It's just a waiting game now. The writing was on the wall last year at LP Stadium. I just wish we had someone that knew what the hell he was doing.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:28 pm to TabascoCAT
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Horse racing/breeding and Eastern Kentucky coal interests have no problem bank rolling projects they want to fund.
The state government is doing all they can to kill the horse business in the state. First came the lottery, and now they want slots. The horse money that was there in the 1980's is going or gone. The Craft (not Kraft like the food company) Center is funded by the old MAPCO Coal out of Tulsa, Oklahoma - now called Alliance Resource Partners. They are about a 1.8 Billion dollar company. Compare that to Wal Mart with about 420 Billion in sales just last year. That means the net worth of Alliance (the source of Kraft's donation) is less than 1% of what Wal Mart took in from sales just last year. Wal Mart is headquartered in Arkansas, and Alliance is headquartered in Oklahoma. See the difference?
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:29 pm to Cheese Grits
Louisville has no problem paying Pitino while contributing money to their football program (and hiring an up and coming coach who appeals to recruits).
Kentucky has plenty of boosters who would be willing to contribute money to football. Schools with a far smaller budget has managed. You get what you put in. Kentucky hasn't put in shite for years.
Kentucky has plenty of boosters who would be willing to contribute money to football. Schools with a far smaller budget has managed. You get what you put in. Kentucky hasn't put in shite for years.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:37 pm to Cheese Grits
If someone in coal or horse breeding wanted to naming rights to Commonwealth Stadium, they'd already have their name on it. UK is content to make decisions that place basketball first. Revenue sharing cost them nothing from the SEC's bowl revenue. If football was truly important at UK, they would already have a recruiting room, stadium upgrades, etc. as I write K fund donation and season ticket check this week, im remimpnded of this very fact.
Mitch is not good at selling the program that brings the bacon...JMO.
Mitch is not good at selling the program that brings the bacon...JMO.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:48 pm to TabascoCAT
The deal with UK is the bonding issue for projects. The state legislatures will not give bonding to UK because the pot is distributed to all state university in the state.
Now, the reason why UL gets all the bells and whistles is private donations...and UK, the big donors put it all in basketball for projects.
You have to think, UK got bonding for the new hospital wings at the medical center, instead of football facility improvements...so, it is true, UK is at a huge dis-advantage vs other SEC schools.
It amazes me that we compete and win championships in other sports...Mitch has to fight to get funding for all programs. This link pretty much explains itLINK
Now, the reason why UL gets all the bells and whistles is private donations...and UK, the big donors put it all in basketball for projects.
You have to think, UK got bonding for the new hospital wings at the medical center, instead of football facility improvements...so, it is true, UK is at a huge dis-advantage vs other SEC schools.
It amazes me that we compete and win championships in other sports...Mitch has to fight to get funding for all programs. This link pretty much explains itLINK
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Louisville has no problem paying Pitino while contributing money to their football program (and hiring an up and coming coach who appeals to recruits).
Louisville is doing it with corporate dollars, not individual dollars. Papa Johns built their stadium, and YUM built their arena. What corporation will build a new Commonwealth Stadium or Rupp Arena?
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Kentucky has plenty of boosters who would be willing to contribute money to football.
30 years ago Lexington had Fortune 500 companies in Kentucky Central - now bankrupt, Jerrico - bought by YUM, and moved to Louisville, and Ashland Oil - now moved to Cincinnati and sold their oil unit to Marathon in Ohio. Belle you are behind the times! Personal wealth has been supplanted by corporate wealth, and that is where the money is. Individuals mean less and less when it comes to supporting college sports because no matter how much they have, it pales to the corporate dollars.
When Lexington has some Fortune 500 companies then Kentucky will be able to support football and basketball, but until then they have to keep putting their dollars on the team that has a history of winning. IU has more money than UK, but they can still not generate the corporate dollars in football that Ohio State and Michigan can.
Very few schools are like Florida and Ohio State that can bankroll multiple sports successfully at a single school. Factories come and go, but it is the corporate headquarters that put down roots that feed the local schools and communities.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:52 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
Refresh my memory. When was the last time State lost to Kentucky?
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:53 pm to WildcatMike
You hit it, bonding is an issue. However, UL does it with donations and UK isn't cutting that way. At some point, you need to get help in the corporate environment or a better salesman.
I think Calipari could raise funds in a more robust manner than Barnhart can....
I think Calipari could raise funds in a more robust manner than Barnhart can....
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:55 pm to Cheese Grits
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. Papa Johns built their stadium, and YUM built their arena. What corporation will build a new Commonwealth Stadium or Rupp Arena?
Nope, Yum was bonded by the state at a % interest to the city of Louisville. They are struggling to make the payments.
Also, UK is sitting back and seeing if the city of Lexington can get the bonding from the state to re-do Rupp Arena. If the city fails to do so, then UK will EASILY build a new Arena on campus no problem. The deal is, the City has a HUGE economical impact keeping Kentucky Basketball Games downtown instead of on campus.
Trust me, the money is there for basketball...the deal is, they will not cough it up for Football.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:56 pm to WildcatMike
Mitch's other issue is he just isn't a very personable guy who can bring in donors for football, which unfortunately requires a pitch at UK. And donors aren't willing to throw their money into football if UK isn't willing to show a commitment to it (i.e. keeping Joker when he should've been gone already). It also doesn't help that he's pissed in the Wheaties of donors at UK who may have been willing to give to FB if asked. He ought to mail his paychecks to Mike Pratt for saving his arse on Calipari's hire while we're at it.
It once again boils down to a commitment by UK and by Mitch.
It once again boils down to a commitment by UK and by Mitch.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 8:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Mitch's other issue is he just isn't a very personable guy who can bring in donors for football, which unfortunately requires a pitch at UK. And donors aren't willing to throw their money into football if UK isn't willing to show a commitment to it (i.e. keeping Joker when he should've been gone already). It also doesn't help that he's pissed in the Wheaties of donors at UK who may have been willing to give to FB if asked. He ought to mail his paychecks to Mike Pratt for saving his arse on Calipari's hire while we're at it.
Well, if you want the Good Ole Boy network running the show and it is nothing but basketball, then we can go back down that road.
The deal was, the Good Ole Boys were left out...Mitch made a commitment to the other sports...hence, we are having success in volleyball, tennis, baseball (recent), womens basketball, rifle, and of course the main one mens basketball.
I think Mitch has done an outstanding job, he will get it right with football...I mean come on...how many damn winning season did we have prior to him getting Brooks to lead the reigns?
Posted on 4/15/12 at 8:05 pm to WildcatMike
If you can't gain corporate donations, the only revenue stream available is the GOB.....
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