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re: Jake Mangum still not drafted wow.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:19 am to MullenBoys
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:19 am to MullenBoys
alot of financial considerations goes to who they draft...fact
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:14 am to SAINTS0321
Jake probably had a number no MLB team was willing to meet, so nobody drafted him. Top 10 rounds are a lot of pre-negotiated amounts so teams spend a lot less wasteful picks.
If Jake thought he was worth $500k, but teams werent willing to give him more than $250k, could be why he wasn't taken in the Top 10 rounds.
The draft is only to a degree simply how good you are vs. what your number is. Several LSU commits yesterday did not get drafted that were in the Top 200 overall players, all because their numbers were higher than what teams were willing to pay to them. 1 had a number of $2M+ and most he could get offered was $1.5M so he chose to tell teams not to draft him that were calling him up.
Daniel Cabrera last year turned down almost $2M to come to LSU.
the unfortunate thing for Jake is should just take whatever they are willing to offer being a junior, as a senior, he's highly unlikely with zero leverage he gets much if anything over $100k, most seniors, even drafted in the latter part of Rounds 1-10, get like $5k-$10k bonus offers despite significantly higher slot values. He might not even be getting $100k offer snow though, so who knows.
If Jake thought he was worth $500k, but teams werent willing to give him more than $250k, could be why he wasn't taken in the Top 10 rounds.
The draft is only to a degree simply how good you are vs. what your number is. Several LSU commits yesterday did not get drafted that were in the Top 200 overall players, all because their numbers were higher than what teams were willing to pay to them. 1 had a number of $2M+ and most he could get offered was $1.5M so he chose to tell teams not to draft him that were calling him up.
Daniel Cabrera last year turned down almost $2M to come to LSU.
the unfortunate thing for Jake is should just take whatever they are willing to offer being a junior, as a senior, he's highly unlikely with zero leverage he gets much if anything over $100k, most seniors, even drafted in the latter part of Rounds 1-10, get like $5k-$10k bonus offers despite significantly higher slot values. He might not even be getting $100k offer snow though, so who knows.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 7:20 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:18 am to SAINTS0321
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alot of financial considerations goes to who they draft...fact
The other factor is that he will almost certainly get the MSU and SEC hits record if he comes back. So basically he's weighing how much money that and returning to a stacked team at a school he loves is worth to him.
And by that I mean whatever he could get this year is essentially forfeited. If they are offering 1 mil, he will get basically nothing next year, if they are offering 300k, still nothing next year. Seniors get the raw end of the stick in the draft because, well it's fricked up.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 7:22 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:18 am to MullenBoys
Good for Jake if he comes back, I like watching him play.
It would be cool if both he and Duplantis came back, they've grown up playing each other every season.
Antoine is only 85 hits away from LSU's record also so that would be fun to watch between the two of them.
It would be cool if both he and Duplantis came back, they've grown up playing each other every season.
Antoine is only 85 hits away from LSU's record also so that would be fun to watch between the two of them.This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 7:19 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:26 am to skirpnasty
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And by that I mean whatever he could get this year is essentially forfeited. If they are offering 1 mil, he will get basically nothing next year, if they are offering 300k, still nothing next year. Seniors get the raw end of the stick in the draft because, well it's fricked up
That's not completely true. If he increases his draft stock and jumps into the earlier rounds 1st or 2nd he can increase his signing bonus.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:30 am to civiltiger07
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That's not completely true. If he increases his draft stock and jumps into the earlier rounds 1st or 2nd he can increase his signing bonus.
There's a reason they dont draft seniors high, they have no leverage, so there's no reason to. First college senior off the board this year was in round 4, pick 133 overall. Has a slot value of $406k but he will be lucky to get any more than $100k-$150k. They take the savings of signing college seniors to give more to high school seniors, college sophomores/juniors and junior college kids. People who have leverage by saying "well I dont have to sign and go in to the draft again, and again". A College senior cant say that, they are basically done.
Cole Freeman got taken with the 133rd overall pick last year, and with a slot value of $390k, holding out to the bitter end, signed for $150k as a college senior. Kramer Robertson also only signed for $150k weith a slot value of well over $400k last year. Jared Poche taken in 9th round, slot value of $145k, signed for $40k.
College seniors basically never get close to slot value in rounds 1-10.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 7:34 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:35 am to SheaForHeisman
Mangum probably wants to comeback just to kick that Ole Miss arse just one more time. He is coming for a clean sweep.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:36 am to UcobiaA
that's good stuff - I remember John, and Kris at Ole Miss
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:45 am to MullenBoys
That's sad. Who is this?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:46 am to MullenBoys
Not sure how many realize how the draft works nowadays - the 11th to 16th round for example might as well be the 6th to 10th round.
The 7th to 10th round roughly is 95% college seniors that will sign bonuses for $5,000.
Starting today with the 11th round you'll start to see elite prospects go off the board again.
Going in 8th round doesn't mean MLB thinks you're a better prospect than someone going in the 14th. It is about signability. A 14th rounder that signs for $100,000 doesn't count against the draft pool.
The 7th to 10th round roughly is 95% college seniors that will sign bonuses for $5,000.
Starting today with the 11th round you'll start to see elite prospects go off the board again.
Going in 8th round doesn't mean MLB thinks you're a better prospect than someone going in the 14th. It is about signability. A 14th rounder that signs for $100,000 doesn't count against the draft pool.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:46 am to memphisplaya
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Ummm when and who? Blake Dean is the only one that comes to mind recently
Apparently, you don't follow LSU Baseball much. Last year, 2017, LSU had 4 JRs return for their SR year.
From the Advocate ..
"The four players - Robertson, Freeman, Deichmann and Poche - took a photo together with each other prior to the season at LSU Media Day signifying the reason they came back to LSU for one more run."
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:48 am to SheaForHeisman
Mangum is a great athlete.
Plays the game with a lot of heart but he’ll never sniff a AAA roster.
I imagine he’ll be coaching high school baseball in Metro Jackson in a couple years.
He’ll have a positive impact on a lot of young kids’ lives.
Plays the game with a lot of heart but he’ll never sniff a AAA roster.
I imagine he’ll be coaching high school baseball in Metro Jackson in a couple years.
He’ll have a positive impact on a lot of young kids’ lives.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:51 am to BiscuitEater
Deichmann wasn't a senior. He was draft eligible as a Sophomore and came back for his junior year.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:55 am to thunderbird1100
that is also partly due to most of the really good players leaving after junior year. If someone is that good and a senior I doubt all teams pass on them just to wait until the 4th rounds or later. At some point the players can use the other teams as leverage.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:56 am to BiscuitEater
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Apparently, you don't follow LSU Baseball much. Last year, 2017, LSU had 4 JRs return for their SR year.
From the Advocate ..
"The four players - Robertson, Freeman, Deichmann and Poche - took a photo together with each other prior to the season at LSU Media Day signifying the reason they came back to LSU for one more run."
Deichmann was a junior, he was a draft eligible sophomore.
The other 3 just werent drafted high enough/given enough money as juniors to warrant signing.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 7:57 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 7:58 am to civiltiger07
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that is also partly due to most of the really good players leaving after junior year. If someone is that good and a senior I doubt all teams pass on them just to wait until the 4th rounds or later. At some point the players can use the other teams as leverage.
Everyone that's good in terms of MLB prospect leaves after junior year because that's the only way you'll max out your money. There's literally no reason to stay around your senior year if you get an offer north of about $150k, because the most you'll likely get as a senior is that, assuming you are the very top of the senior class too.
Guys like Poche, Robertson and Freeman returned for their senior years here because they got offered next to nothing as juniors. That's the only reason they came back.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 8:00 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:00 am to civiltiger07
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Deichmann wasn't a senior. He was draft eligible as a Sophomore and came back for his junior year.
Ok .. "In 2017, four 'draft eligible' players came back. better?
*Pretty sad, that a MSU fan knows more about LSU baseball than some LSU 'fans'
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:04 am to thunderbird1100
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Everyone that's good in terms of MLB prospect leaves after junior year because that's the only way you'll max out your money. There's literally no reason to stay around your senior year if you get an offer north of about $150k, because the most you'll likely get as a senior is that, assuming you are the very top of the senior class too.
of course I know how that works. Lets say Lange came back this year and had a typical Lange year. He was taken with the 30th pick last year. Do you think he would go in the 4th round or something like that? I don't see why he wouldn't be a first rounder again. now he might not get full slot but if someone wants to take him with the 10th pick and offer him 200k he could just say nah I'll see what teams at 11, 12, and 13 say.
No one has really even come close to testing this so its just speculation.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:06 am to BiscuitEater
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*Pretty sad, that a MSU fan knows more about LSU baseball than some LSU 'fans'
what? We just had to correct you.
And the highest drafted player of the other 3 was Poche in the 14th round.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 8:08 am
Posted on 6/6/18 at 8:11 am to civiltiger07
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of course I know how that works. Lets say Lange came back this year and had a typical Lange year. He was taken with the 30th pick last year. Do you think he would go in the 4th round or something like that? I don't see why he wouldn't be a first rounder again. now he might not get full slot but if someone wants to take him with the 10th pick and offer him 200k he could just say nah I'll see what teams at 11, 12, and 13 say.
Yes, he would go much lower and get much less money, again, it's ALL about leverage. Would he get more than $150k? Probably, but it still wouldn't come close to his junior year offer. Doesnt matter who you are, if you have great junior and senior years, you'll still get way way more money as a junior than senior. You're just pissing away money if you get an offer north of $150k and come back for your senior year basically.
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