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Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:14 pm to TigerWoody
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:14 pm to TigerWoody
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At least you admit it was "devised", sham though it was.
This fool does not realize that the Reinstatement Committee of the NCAA is a tool of convenience for colleges in dealing with player eligibility issues. They are NOT the NCAA's enforcement body!
The enforcement body can do whateverthefrick they want to Auburn in the future.
This shite storm for AU is clear to me and many other folks. But the Aubs just do not SEE it.
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:16 pm to AUBfanatic
You haven't really answered my questions. From what I can gather, you think...
Saying Cam Newton was cleared to play for the SECCG and the BCSCG means that he was cleared for the entire season.
You also think that it's implied that saying he is clear to play for the last two games of the season means that the investigation is over?
And I can read all about vacated wins... what does that have to do with the questions I am asking? All I asked if at the time, when the NCAA ruled Alabama's players eligible for the rest of the year, it meant the first half too...
We haven't gotten to vacated wins yet, but I'll go ahead and ask since you brought it up. I don't understand why, if they said our players were free and clear, and according to you, that was good for the whole season, even though they didn't specifically say so, Alabama was told two years later they had to vacate all of the games they had won that season, except of course the games that our players were cleared to play in at the end of the season.
I am getting a little frustrated though, because you haven't answered point by point any of the questions I have asked.
I guess what I don't understand, knowing how much controversy already exists about this, why the NCAA didn't specifically say, he is free and clear and eligible for all games he has played thus far, and continues to play, for the 2010 season.
I also don't understand why, if the investigation is over, according to you, because Cam was ruled eligible for the final 2 games, they said the investigation is still ongoing.
It seems to me that they would have hired a better lawyer to explain in their rulings what you seem to have implied, but I guess they don't really worry about being nitpicky?
Saying Cam Newton was cleared to play for the SECCG and the BCSCG means that he was cleared for the entire season.
You also think that it's implied that saying he is clear to play for the last two games of the season means that the investigation is over?
And I can read all about vacated wins... what does that have to do with the questions I am asking? All I asked if at the time, when the NCAA ruled Alabama's players eligible for the rest of the year, it meant the first half too...
We haven't gotten to vacated wins yet, but I'll go ahead and ask since you brought it up. I don't understand why, if they said our players were free and clear, and according to you, that was good for the whole season, even though they didn't specifically say so, Alabama was told two years later they had to vacate all of the games they had won that season, except of course the games that our players were cleared to play in at the end of the season.
I am getting a little frustrated though, because you haven't answered point by point any of the questions I have asked.
I guess what I don't understand, knowing how much controversy already exists about this, why the NCAA didn't specifically say, he is free and clear and eligible for all games he has played thus far, and continues to play, for the 2010 season.
I also don't understand why, if the investigation is over, according to you, because Cam was ruled eligible for the final 2 games, they said the investigation is still ongoing.
It seems to me that they would have hired a better lawyer to explain in their rulings what you seem to have implied, but I guess they don't really worry about being nitpicky?
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:17 pm to AUBfanatic
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Do you really think the NCAA's idea was to vacate wins in the future when they devised the 24hr ineligibility?
I don't think they "devised" anything. That would imply they conspired to benefit Auburn, rather than make an honest attempt at enforcing the rules. Is that what you believe??
I'm saying that this isn't the first time eligibility was restored during an investigation, and using the textbook precedent, it only protects the games played after the eligibility ruling...
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:17 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Auburn has an extensive history of cheating, this includes paying for players: FACT
Cam has a history of breaking rules and getting caught: FACT
Cam trusted his father enough that he put the entire decision process of where he will play entirely in daddy's hands: FACT
Cecil requested $$$ from another SEC school which happened to be the school Cam expressed the most interest: FACT
Despite all of this, Auburn fans are the only ones in the country who honestly believe Cecil not only didn't attempt to sell Cam to Auburn, but kept his son completely in the dark about it: FACT
PERFECT POST!
The writting is on the fricking wall and the Aub's are so completely BLINDED by the Newton's ballz that they can't see it.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:18 pm to TigerWoody
I have a poem for you.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:19 pm to RT1941
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Despite all of this, Auburn fans are the only ones in the country who honestly believe Cecil not only didn't attempt to sell Cam to Auburn, but kept his son completely in the dark about it: FACT
For what it's worth... that's not a fact. Just saying.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:19 pm to michaeldwde
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No. I liked Auburn way before that kid went there.
yea, me too. i'm an LSU grad and bleed purple and gold, but i've always kinda liked auburn and have some friends and a nephew that graduated there. my problem is when tubberville was forced out, it seems the vacuum left over was filled with the "crooked" element and they have resorted to old ways. they are better at covering their tracks this go around, but they are the same people they were the last time they paid players. i'm sorry to say it's probably not just cam on the payroll either. i know you guys want a ship bad (and i think you'll get one), but sec fans wanted ya'll to get one too (once we were out). but from the beginning, cam's past at uf was one of theft and lying about it and there was a lot of academic impropriety too. i think he knows he's using auburn and his dad got paid and he's ok with it. the sad thing is it will be auburn, not the newton's that get hung for the crime. auburn needs to go vigilante hunting and rid themselves of the thugs that got you in trouble twice before and it sure looks like the third time too. good luck to you and other decent auburn folk.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:20 pm to geauxtigahs87
Wasn't it you that said 'Auburn payed for Cam' as if that was just a known fact?
Sorry, I'm going to go with the NCAA's findings considering they have more information than anyone else other than the principles involved. I'm sorry if I don't subscribe to the message board theorists. Just ask yourself, is it remotely plausible that the NCAA might know more about this than I do even after reading every post and every article on ESPN? If the answer is no then you're one of those people that have made this one of the funniest spectacles an Auburn fan could ever dream to be a part of. Its truly hilarious from this perspective.
Sorry, I'm going to go with the NCAA's findings considering they have more information than anyone else other than the principles involved. I'm sorry if I don't subscribe to the message board theorists. Just ask yourself, is it remotely plausible that the NCAA might know more about this than I do even after reading every post and every article on ESPN? If the answer is no then you're one of those people that have made this one of the funniest spectacles an Auburn fan could ever dream to be a part of. Its truly hilarious from this perspective.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:22 pm to AUBfanatic
The NCAA stated the investigation is still ongoing. Im not sure why AU fans are not reading that fact or just plain ignoring it but the investigation isnt over at all.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:23 pm to rbWarEagle
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For what it's worth... that's not a fact. Just saying.
Would it make you feel better if I changed it to majority? Or do you think this is incorrect as well?
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:24 pm to AUBfanatic
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Wasn't it you that said 'Auburn payed for Cam' as if that was just a known fact?
Sorry, I'm going to go with the NCAA's findings considering they have more information than anyone else other than the principles involved. I'm sorry if I don't subscribe to the message board theorists. Just ask yourself, is it remotely plausible that the NCAA might know more about this than I do even after reading every post and every article on ESPN? If the answer is no then you're one of those people that have made this one of the funniest spectacles an Auburn fan could ever dream to be a part of. Its truly hilarious from this perspective.
Call it what you want now - but this shite ain't too hilarious when the hammer comes down. Believe me - been there done that - and don't ever want to do it again.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:25 pm to AUBfanatic
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Wasn't it you that said 'Auburn payed for Cam' as if that was just a known fact?
I was stating what I believe based on the facts I posted. Of course it isn't a fact, Cam wouldn't be playing if it was.
Everyone else doesn't seem to have a problem understanding what I post yet you continue to struggle. I don't know how to help you with that
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:26 pm to AUBfanatic
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Sorry, I'm going to go with the NCAA's findings considering they have more information than anyone else other than the principles involved.
So you are going with the fact that Cecil broke the law, Cam can play for now, and the investigation is ongoing.
When you read my posts, where do you assume I get my information? I'm just curious.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:28 pm to MCHamaBama
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The NCAA stated the investigation is still ongoing. Im not sure why AU fans are not reading that fact or just plain ignoring it but the investigation isnt over at all.
It's wasted key-strokes on some of these Aubs. They simply do not understand that the reinstatement committee of the NCAA has VERY little to do with the NCAA's enforcement body.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:28 pm to Bellabama
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I have a poem for you.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:30 pm to DvlsAdvocat
Right. I just ask that you guys clearly plan out the logic behind your statements before commiting to print. The text book case doesn't even apply to this situation considering the university conceded the infraction. Auburn has stated they have done nothing wrong and that is why the NCAA is refusing to punish Auburn.
I'd also ask that any of you on this board reference an example where the NCAA declared a player ineligible SOLEY based on solicitation. I'd also emplore you to google the plethora of cases where solicitations alone were made and the player remained eligible. Here's a hint: there are plenty of examples of this for you to pour over and try to reason why the Cam situation may be different.
I'd also ask that any of you on this board reference an example where the NCAA declared a player ineligible SOLEY based on solicitation. I'd also emplore you to google the plethora of cases where solicitations alone were made and the player remained eligible. Here's a hint: there are plenty of examples of this for you to pour over and try to reason why the Cam situation may be different.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:32 pm to Bellabama
quote:I bet you do
I have a poem for you.
...it has been a few days. Save it for the IM thread or send an email.Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:32 pm to AUBfanatic
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:33 pm to AUBfanatic
LOL again the investigation isnt over. The NCAA has not refused to punish anybody. They are still in the investigaton process. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.
Posted on 12/10/10 at 3:36 pm to MCHamaBama
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LOL again the investigation isnt over. The NCAA has not refused to punish anybody. They are still in the investigaton process. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.
Ignorance is BLISS!
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