AUBfanatic

As much as we'd like to believe those answers would draw this discussion to a close, it won't happen. The mob mentality is too strong against Cam for logic to prevail despite the facts and official NCAA rulings that have already been established. Just know that hatred is the sincerest form of flattery when it comes to CFB.

Relatively speaking I would agree with that. I just found it humorous that the OP honestly believes that the majority of those interested in watching a BCSCG game wouldn't know where Auburn was located. Come on OP, you've got to admit you may have pushed the flame up a little too much with that remark.

I think so too. The SECCG ratings are not a great barometer in determining the projected ratings of the BCSCG. The SECCG game was a blowout by middle of the 3rd quarter. Cam on and off the field has brought plenty of attention to Auburn and the country will watch barring an early blowout.

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Just a quick FYI...I went to auburn for a year and have a lot of friends who are auburn grads.

So your assertion that my friends may not be sharp tools is probably true.

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Wow...I'm just going to let your retort stand on its own merit as to why your previous assertion is misguided.

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Is auburn nationally prominent?
Considering most people outside of the sec still don't know what state it's in...no.

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Wow! Do you get any cred on this board at all? You've basically just stated that the entire country are a bunch of morons.

To pacify your own unfounded ego, consider that the Iron Bowl is a nationally 'prominent' game nearly every year and the two teams that play in it are known to be within the same state.

Most Auburn fans will concede that we are the percieved as the 2nd school in AL with other AU fans. I enjoy that position and wouldn't want it any other way. I love being the underdog.

I've come to enjoy this site when I need non homer perspective or want to get into a bash. Its all in good fun

Looking back, I think I've covered most of what you asked at some point and will address anything left out that I missed.

If winning this contest is your goal then I will concede now as the point is futile understanding that neither one of us can draw a definitive conclusion from the facts at hand.

Your Forbes article and use of the Bama text book example have little to nothing in common with this case as those infractions were admitted and remained within the school at which they occurred. Bravo for posting a link but the relevance is weak and only serves to illustrate that players can be retroactively made ineligible. I don't contest that fact. What you're failing to acknowledge is that the NCAA declared Cam ineligible and immediately reinstated him with 'no conditions'. If you refer to past NCAA cases 'conditions' or 'vacated wins' were issued as a penalty. Its been stated that NCAA investigations typically remain open after eligibility is granted to said player. If this is status quo then why are you hanging your theory on it as if its something unique to the Cam case? Again, I'm following your line of logic above and you seem to have contradicted yourself there. I understand that the NCAA statement states that the enforcement body and reinstatement body act independent of one another but a passive browse of any given NCAA investigation will clearly illustrate that the two bodies are not mutually exclusive. For your benefit, please search Donald Maurice Jackson's NCAA cases and/or recent interviews. His work will illustrate this in vivid detail. I'm not sure why you are so adamant about that point. That may not have been you so my apologies if I paraphrased incorrectly yet again. By suggesting that the two bodies are totally mutually exclusive infers that the enforcement body's ultimate determination trumps the reinstatement process's position with no dialogue taking place prior to the decision. Unlikely in most cases. Highly improbable in this one given the high profile and inherent stakes on the table if they make a mistake.

I'd really like some insight into why you feel the NCAA was forced to act in the time frame the ruling came down as opposed to kicking the can further down the road. Also, what do you believe the NCAA or process gains in stating a ruling if the investigation is in full throttle?

I can do without the pissing contest if you're up for it.

I guess in the end it really doesn't matter what I think but to have thought any different from the outset of this discussion makes one seem mentally small. We're two anonymous posters on a site called Tigerdroppings and its all in good fun. If I wanted to discuss the issue in a non hostile environment then I would go to an Auburn site but what fun would that be?

I know I haven't covered all of the points here that you believe I'm dodging but I will gladly address anything you've got and hopefully you'll provide some perspective on the points I issued to you.

I don't know what that means...

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a) why the NCAA might have decided it was best to make a ruling on his eligibility now, as opposed to a non statement either way.

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I understand that an investigation is officially open. I also understand that Auburn could be found to have done something that would vacate wins. You've now pesuaded me to look at this entirely different and I now realize that Auburn has clearly violated NCAA bylaws. I realize now that Auburn basically threw the middle finger up to the NCAA by continuing to play Cam when any other school would have known to sit him. I realize now that despite the majority of the country being totally unaware of who Cam Newton was, Auburn decided to pay his dad $180,000 on the hopes that he would be as great as he appeared at Blinn. A fair gamble considering how many 4 and 5 star recruits every single year end up being total busts but the risk/reward for paying the player makes total sense. I also believe that Auburn pays for every player that commits to Auburn because why else would you ever want to attend our school. Right? I feel so much better now. Thanks guys, its been a pleasure and thank you for freeing me of my Auburn shackles. Hoorah!!!