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re: Is Trevor Lawrence overrated?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:17 pm to ibleedprplngld
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:17 pm to ibleedprplngld
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WTF does this have to do with completion percentage, yards, and/or INTs? Burrow only played all 4 quarters in 5 games. (if memory serves me right, it may only be 4)
Its a commonly distributed myth from Clemson fans, Lawrence played in plenty of second halves this season and Burrow only averaged 7 more passes a game than Lawrence.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 3:18 pm
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:24 pm to thatothertiger
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Man this is rich considering what he did to your team last time around.
What he did or what his WRs did to the worst DB possibly in Saban's tenure at Bama? I watched that game and Lawrence wasn't and isn't the generational talent he's made out to be. Again, he's a good QB but the media has him hyped up to be Peyton Brady. He's not. Honestly, as far as college QBs go I put him and Fields on the same level and they are below Burrow and Tua.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:27 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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Just because his team’s defense doesn’t suck allowing him more opportunities to throw the ball, doesn’t mean he can’t.
If a defense can't get off the field, one would expect the offense to have fewer opportunities, not more. I don't think Lawrence is overrated, but this doesn't help that argument. How bout we look at some efficiency based stats instead of overall numbers
YPA
Burrow 10.9
Lawrence 9.3
Rating
Burrow 204.6
Lawrence 173.25
And since it has been brought up that Lawrence sits the second halves of games, let's compare their 1st half numbers
Yards
Burrow 3463 (more than Lawrence has total)
Lawrence 2387
TDs
Burrow 38
Lawrence 26
INTs
Burrow 3
Lawrence 5
Rating
Burrow 213.85
Lawrence 176.51
Comp %
Burrow 79.3
Lawrence 69.5
Passing attempts
Burrow 305
Lawrence 259
*in 14 games, that amounts to about 3 more passing attempts per half
Barring injury Lawrence will and should be the #1 pick in the draft next season, but there really is no way to argue he's been in the same universe this season as Burrow.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:31 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Is this the question this thread was about? I thought we were discussing if he is overrated?
So was Jalen Hurts and he has better numbers. Is he better than Lawrence?
To your second question, determining who is “better” is a subjective question, and therefore you will get subjective answers. For example, Tom Brady could have been the Arkansas QB this year and would have fared slightly better than our QBs did; but overall Arkansas still would have sucked.
Would this have meant that “insert any college QB” is better than Tom Brady? Simply because they have better stats over the course of one year? How do you define “better”? Stats only? In my opinion, stats don’t tell the whole story.
Getting back to the original question - TL is not overrated. He has great stats, leadership (see performance in big games) and 0 losses. Not sure how anyone with a brain cell could call him overrated; especially when he wasn’t even one of the three QB invited to Heisman.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:33 pm to lsufball19
quote:the argument is that Clemsons D did a better job over the course of the season keeping the games in blowout status...therefore less throwing.
lsufball19
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
No
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:35 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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He has great stats
Not that great considering he's only faced two top 50 pass defenses all season
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Not sure how anyone with a brain cell could call him overrated; especially when he wasn’t even one of the three QB invited to Heisman.
I've heard several Clemson fans as well as sports talk hosts call him the best quarterback in college football.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:42 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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the argument is that Clemsons D did a better job over the course of the season keeping the games in blowout status
Burrow threw 43 passes in the 4th quarter this season, Lawrence 26. (or 1.21 more passing attempts per game)
Both players/teams have been on the good side of blowouts most of the season.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:43 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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the argument is that Clemsons D did a better job over the course of the season keeping the games in blowout status...therefore less throwing.
Thats a myth though
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:47 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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Is this the question this thread was about? I thought we were discussing if he is overrated?
The question is why is a guy constantly lauded as a top 3 or sometimes top overall quarterback in college football 5th in passing touchdowns and 16th in passing yards with 8 picks against a garbage schedule?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:20 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So you just call names instead of supporting your argument?
I don't have an arugment. You asked a simple question. "Is Trevor Lawrence overrated?"
I answered. "No."
You didn't say "Explain your answer" or anything like that.
Then I stated another fact.
Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.
I mean, he obviously didn't have nearly the year that Joe Burrow did. Nobody did. Nobody ever has. But to say he is overrated is just stupid.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:28 pm to SidewalkTiger
This is the final standings on the season. Against the weakest schedule outside of upstate South Carolina 8 man high school football. This conversation is over, and LSU's organic pass rush and NFL caliber DB's will prove it all very, very soon.
1 Tua Tagovailoa
2 Joe Burrow
3 Jalen Hurts
4 Tyler Huntley
5 Justin Fields
6 Tanner Morgan
7 Trevor Lawrence
1 Tua Tagovailoa
2 Joe Burrow
3 Jalen Hurts
4 Tyler Huntley
5 Justin Fields
6 Tanner Morgan
7 Trevor Lawrence
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:32 pm to SSpaniel
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I mean, he obviously didn't have nearly the year that Joe Burrow did. Nobody did. Nobody ever has. But to say he is overrated is just stupid
He didnt have the year that Hurts, Fields, or several others had either and he played garbage teams all year. I dont think its an invalid question.
The kid is constantly touted as one of the best quarterbacks in college football and plays a weak schedule yet the numbers are only above average not great.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:45 pm to SidewalkTiger
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He didnt have the year that Hurts, Fields, or several others had either and he played garbage teams all year. I dont think its an invalid question.
The kid is constantly touted as one of the best quarterbacks in college football and plays a weak schedule yet the numbers are only above average not great.
Exactly. And, head to head with an injured Fields, he wasn't head and shoulders better.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:24 pm to Shaft Williams
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Exactly. And, head to head with an injured Fields, he wasn't head and shoulders better.
Yeah, just kind of expected more after all the preseason Heisman finalist hype
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:25 pm to SidewalkTiger
No
Posted on 12/31/19 at 6:01 am to ClemsonFann
Okay, alter
Posted on 12/31/19 at 6:36 am to Shaft Williams
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He's a good college QB and has the measurables but I never expected Clemson to get a QB as good as Watson right after Watson.
And DJ Uiagalelei has the talent to be as good or better than both. That is a filthy amount of riches at the qb position.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 7:43 am to thatothertiger
Lawrence is a very good QB.
Clemson played a very soft schedule. As such any stats Clemson has put up are suspect.
Still very talented team.
Looking forward to settling this out on the field.
LSU Bama Georgia probably Florida and Auburn would have been undefeated with Clemson schedule.
Clemson beat Texas Am 24 to 10. LSU beat TAM 50 to 7 and we called off the offense for the fourth quarter.
Again it is going to be an interesting and competitive game
Clemson played a very soft schedule. As such any stats Clemson has put up are suspect.
Still very talented team.
Looking forward to settling this out on the field.
LSU Bama Georgia probably Florida and Auburn would have been undefeated with Clemson schedule.
Clemson beat Texas Am 24 to 10. LSU beat TAM 50 to 7 and we called off the offense for the fourth quarter.
Again it is going to be an interesting and competitive game
Posted on 12/31/19 at 7:44 am to mhc4tigers
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Clemson played a very soft schedule. As such any stats Clemson has put up are suspect.
I could be wrong but I dont believe they've put up over 30 points on any top 50 defense theyve played this season.
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Georgia
Nah they'd still have had to play South Carolina.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 7:47 am
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