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re: Is Jalen Milroe a better quarterback than Jaxon Dart?
Posted on 7/20/24 at 4:34 pm to FreedomBarefoot
Posted on 7/20/24 at 4:34 pm to FreedomBarefoot
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Proctor was a turn stye
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 5:03 pm to BasedCrimson
quote:I actually think Simpson may still win the job. Deboer is just trying to be very cautious about how he goes about it. Deboer not only has to make the fan base happy, he has to keep the team together. Thats why Saban started Milroe, in spite of the other coaches pushing for SImpson last year because the team was so behind Milroe as being the QB, he didn't want to have a team revolt. And Deboer may end up having to do the same thing but I certainly hope he doesn't fold to the pressure. Deboer can't fully move beyond the Milroe divide till he is gone.
I find his whole shtick to be rather annoying
Posted on 7/20/24 at 5:48 pm to themetalreb
Dart is a QB. Milroe is until proven otherwise a Safety or RB playing QB. Furthermore, if Dart was our QB last season we would've won a national championship b/c Dart can consistently complete intermediate passes, he's more elusive than Milroe (I didn't say faster than Milroe), and he can read a defense.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 5:49 pm to Opry
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I actually think Simpson may still win the job. Deboer is just trying to be very cautious about how he goes about it. Deboer not only has to make the fan base happy, he has to keep the team together. Thats why Saban started Milroe, in spite of the other coaches pushing for SImpson last year because the team was so behind Milroe as being the QB, he didn't want to have a team revolt. And Deboer may end up having to do the same thing but I certainly hope he doesn't fold to the pressure. Deboer can't fully move beyond the Milroe divide till he is gone.
That was past his prime Saban. Prime Saban would've played Simpson for an entire game and wouldn't have given a shite what any of the players had to say.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 5:51 pm to Opry
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He's trying to win the job like a politician. Camera face time, kissing the babies, and winning the fans to where Deboer feels he has to play him.
This is on point!
Posted on 7/20/24 at 5:58 pm to Opry
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I actually think Simpson may still win the job. Deboer is just trying to be very cautious about how he goes about it. Deboer not only has to make the fan base happy, he has to keep the team together.
You could be right, and I've wondered the same thing.
At the very least, Simpson and Milroe have always been neck-and-neck with Simpson being a more natural passer.
DeBoer is an offensive mastermind who runs everything from shotgun and employs lots of 4 and 5 WR sets. I think he knows who the better QB is to run his system, and he probably knows Simpson is a shade better, but with all the media hoopla and scrutiny, he might have to ride with Milroe in spite of his better judgment.
However, Milroe might be on a short leash. We shall see.
The word is that Simpson has taken to this offense like a fish to water, and is way ahead of Milroe in terms of processing and knowing the offense inside and out.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 6:02 pm to BasedCrimson
quote:Source?
The word is that Simpson has taken to this offense like a fish to water, and is way ahead of Milroe in terms of processing and knowing the offense inside and out.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 6:08 pm to Opry
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I actually think Simpson may still win the job.
There will come a time or two this upcoming season where DeBoer will be faced with benching Milroe if Milroe hasn't improved from last season. If Milroe hasn't improved, I think Wisconsin will give him problems. Fickell has a good staff and Fickell was a hell of a DC in his own right. Fickell's defensive staff will do things to try to confuse Milroe.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 6:13 pm to Shaft Williams
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If Milroe hasn't improved, I think Wisconsin will give him problems. Fickell has a good staff and Fickell was a hell of a DC in his own right. Fickell's defensive staff will do things to try to confuse Milroe.
Honestly just thinking of Milroe leading the offense to start this new era makes me uneasy. I hope he's ready, and I hope DeBoer has big enough balls to swap him for Simpson if things go sideways
Posted on 7/20/24 at 6:17 pm to Shaft Williams
Shaft, besides all the other reasons Saban had, I believe there were 2 things that happened last year that pushed him toward retirement.
1) The NIL scuttle-butt that happened toward the end of the year.
2) Saban feeling forced to play Milroe to keep the team together.
He has always been the one in control. When he felt he was losing the iron grip he'd always had, he decided to move on. Maybe even slightly embarrassed he ignored his coaches advice and caved.
1) The NIL scuttle-butt that happened toward the end of the year.
2) Saban feeling forced to play Milroe to keep the team together.
He has always been the one in control. When he felt he was losing the iron grip he'd always had, he decided to move on. Maybe even slightly embarrassed he ignored his coaches advice and caved.
This post was edited on 7/20/24 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 7/20/24 at 6:25 pm to Opry
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Shaft, besides all the other reasons Saban had, I believe there were 2 things that happened last year that pushed him toward retirement.
1) The NIL scuttle-butt that happened toward the end of the year.
2) Saban feeling forced to play Milroe to keep the team together.
He has always been the one in control. When he felt he was losing the iron grip he'd always had, he decided to move on. Maybe even slightly embarrassed he ignored his coaches advice and caved.
Well said.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 6:36 pm to Opry
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Shaft, besides all the other reasons Saban had, I believe there were 2 things that happened last year that pushed him toward retirement.
1) The NIL scuttle-butt that happened toward the end of the year.
2) Saban feeling forced to play Milroe to keep the team together.
He has always been the one in control. When he felt he was losing the iron grip he'd always had, he decided to move on. Maybe even slightly embarrassed he ignored his coaches advice and caved.
I said that on TI and BOL and got the typical responses.
After Milroe blew up on Rees the week leading into USF, and then so many key offensive players, linemen, receivers, blocking backs just coincidentally had bad games vs USF. A younger Saban would have benched every damn one of them. I think all of that was just one more reason, among many, that Saban considered before retirement.
When the players start determining who starts and plays the other positions, it's not good.
Everything considered, it may have been Saban's best coaching job to win the SEC and take the national champions to overtime, where on the last play Milroe ran straight into a pile of defenders, rather than at least trying to beat that one guy to the left.
This post was edited on 7/20/24 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 7/20/24 at 6:38 pm to themetalreb
No. I fully expect Ty Simpson to be in about mid season.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 7:20 pm to Shaft Williams
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Saban feeling forced to play Milroe to keep the team together. He has always been the one in control. When he felt he was losing the iron grip he'd always had, he decided to move on. Maybe even slightly embarrassed he ignored his coaches advice and caved.
Wow. Was this really the case??
I had been thinking Milroe was a major factor in Saban's retirement. Number one, I don't think Saban particularly liked Milroe - he's not a smart guy, not a good QB, and his temper tantrums are childish. When you're nearing the end, the thought of having a QB like that probably seemed exhausting.
Number two, he basically said it outright. He specifically mentioned player attitudes and called out players spiking their helmets after the Michigan loss. Jalen Milroe spiked his helmet after the Michigan loss.
Compare that to Saban's love of McCarron, and jumping into his arms after winning a championship. Saban and McCarron had a father-son type of bond.
I think the idea of another season with the LANK crew and Jalen Milroe was enough to push him into an early retirement. There was no true joy in coaching these selfish guys who were all about their brand, NIL, and their draft stock
Posted on 7/20/24 at 7:36 pm to roll to victory
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Not that difficult when taking kinesiology classes
BS. It’s difficult in any major.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 7:50 pm to BasedCrimson
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I had been thinking Milroe was a major factor in Saban's retirement. Number one, I don't think Saban particularly liked Milroe -
Wrong
Milroe loved taking chin shots from Dallas Turner in good on good. He said it made him focus more in weekly prep. That's what Saban admired about Jalen
Posted on 7/20/24 at 10:49 pm to BasedCrimson
All this stuff about Milroe is kind of silly.
Milroe did get benched last year and we saw what the backups could do. They played against a bad team (USF) not a good opponent. And they were pathetically bad, both Simpson and Buchner.
Simpson played in six games last year. Most of his attempts were against USF and UT Chattanooga. He completed 55% of his passes last year. His only real bright moments were a 78 yard run against UTC and a 51 yard pass against UK (neither were for a TD).
Simpson isn't the savior at Bama. Milroe is their best option. And to be honest Milroe is pretty solid as a passer along with being a great runner. Bama is lacking in WR's though which hurt Milroe (as well as Simpson and Buchner when they played).
Milroe did get benched last year and we saw what the backups could do. They played against a bad team (USF) not a good opponent. And they were pathetically bad, both Simpson and Buchner.
Simpson played in six games last year. Most of his attempts were against USF and UT Chattanooga. He completed 55% of his passes last year. His only real bright moments were a 78 yard run against UTC and a 51 yard pass against UK (neither were for a TD).
Simpson isn't the savior at Bama. Milroe is their best option. And to be honest Milroe is pretty solid as a passer along with being a great runner. Bama is lacking in WR's though which hurt Milroe (as well as Simpson and Buchner when they played).
Posted on 7/20/24 at 11:00 pm to DawginSC
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Simpson isn't the savior at Bama.
Does a Georgia fan really want to tempt fate talking about a Bama backup QB?
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Bama is lacking in WR's though which hurt Milroe
Very much enjoying the fact that the 'Bama WR room is being slept on. Hopefully Milroe can step it up in the intermediate passing and slant game, which is his biggest weakness.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 11:09 pm to Marktastic86
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Does a Georgia fan really want to tempt fate talking about a Bama backup QB?
Sure. I feel pretty confident that UGA would have won by 2 TD's if Simpson came in for Milroe at halftime in the SECCG last year. Simpson isn't very good. We've seen Simpson play. Maybe after a half a season he'd improve, but he's not the kind of elite QB who can step in without much experience and thrive (like Tua did).
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Very much enjoying the fact that the 'Bama WR room is being slept on. Hopefully Milroe can step it up in the intermediate passing and slant game, which is his biggest weakness
I'm talking about last year's WR room. It was very similar to the WR room that Bryce Young had in 2022. And we saw how Young's stats fell off. That wasn't because Young was worse. The WR room got a lot worse after Williams and Metchie left.
Milroe didn't have a good WR room last year. If it turns out to be good this year, I expect his stats will rocket up.
Now I will admit I AM sleeping on Bama's WR room this year. But I wasn't actually talking about that before. I do think Bama's WR room looks extremely weak this year on paper. Unless some recruit ends up being an immediate star, I think Bama needs to have their best running QB on the field. Perhaps Deboer will develop the unit where Saban could not... but let's be honest here. Saban has been EXTREMELY good at developing elite WR's, even if their stats sometimes weren't elite. It's only the last couple of years that Bama has not had multiple elite WR's.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 8:56 am to BasedCrimson
quote:Maybe thats why Milroe has turned on all the media tours. He knows thats the only way he might gain some traction for the starting position. Simpson never got a real fair shot last year......With a new coaching staff and a new offense, I figure he is way ahead of where he was last year and it would seem to fit his skill set great. His brain (processor) runs fast than Milroe's and he has a higher ceiling for an NFL career.
The word is that Simpson has taken to this offense like a fish to water, and is way ahead of Milroe in terms of processing and knowing the offense inside and out.
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