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re: Is Dabo Really That Good?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:58 pm to 3down10
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:58 pm to 3down10
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And from that you get that I think he sucks? Again, my fault because you lack the mental capacity to see the grey areas?
I NEVER SAID YOU SAID HE SUCKED. I said that is a silly statement because a lot of very smart football people would absolutely take Lawrence over Tua right now. That doesn't mean everyone, it doesn't mean Lawrence is clearly better than Tua, it doesn't mean any of those things. It means that there is a reasonable debate about it and it's not foolish to pick one side or the other. That's it. That's all of it.
Come on man.
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Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:00 pm to Icoachfb
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NFL executives sure seem to like him.
And? I'm sure he'll be a 1st rd pick unless he shits the bed.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:00 pm to 3down10
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0 great plays made by the QB in that time.
I'm not going to argue on the subjectivity of what is and isn't a great play.
He played a mistake free game in which he converted on over 50% of 3rd downs against an Alabama defense in a national title game. He threw for 300+ yards, almost 10 YPA and didn't make a single mistake.
Our guy, by the way, made some crucial mistakes that directly led to Clemson scoring or us not scoring. Did Tua lose the game? No, but part of the "highlights" of great plays by Lawrence is that he didn't have any "bad plays" that gave us short fields of chances to score on defense.
Personally, I think that is pretty impressive. Not to mention the fact that he absolutely made 4-5 rocket armed 3rd down throws across the field to get 1st downs.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Look, I think Lawrence and Tua are both very good players. I think Lawrence proved himself last year that his game on the field lived up to the high school hype. I think it's completely reasonable to think he's going to take a huge step in Year 2 as a sophomore and be incredibly good.
That's all I got for you.
That's all I got for you.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:04 pm to 3down10
So instead of trying to justify all that bullshite in your head about throwing guys open and blown coverages and all that, you could have just said that Clemson's team was overall better than Alabama's team
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:04 pm to CAbamafan
You have to be an alter right?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I agree he played a mistake free game. He managed the game, did his job, and you couldn't really ask for him to do more.
But it wasn't even close to being somekind of all-time-great performance that some people make it out to be because they look at the scoreboard.
If I am wrong, I await the images. I expect at least the 1 really good pass he made, and then also that crazy good catch Ross made. But outside that you will basically either have a bunch of quick slant passes, or passes to guys who are wide open. If you go and count his time in the pocket, you'll see he often times had plenty of time because it's like we don't know what the hell a blitz is(I bet Pruitt was cursing).
And Tua's mistakes probably did lose that game. Once again you have to give credit to the Clemson coaching staff, they were prepared and knew exactly how to exploit him. I put that a good bit on our coaching staff, our offense was not prepared. Their coaching staff has their QB abusing Savion Smith's coverage and Mack Wilson's bad angle taking, and our coaching staff leaves easy tells for plays like the pick6, where the guy literally cheated on the play knowing what was coming.
Clemson's coaching staff took Alabama's coaching staff to the woodshed. We did not lose because of QB play as the OP suggests.
But it wasn't even close to being somekind of all-time-great performance that some people make it out to be because they look at the scoreboard.
If I am wrong, I await the images. I expect at least the 1 really good pass he made, and then also that crazy good catch Ross made. But outside that you will basically either have a bunch of quick slant passes, or passes to guys who are wide open. If you go and count his time in the pocket, you'll see he often times had plenty of time because it's like we don't know what the hell a blitz is(I bet Pruitt was cursing).
And Tua's mistakes probably did lose that game. Once again you have to give credit to the Clemson coaching staff, they were prepared and knew exactly how to exploit him. I put that a good bit on our coaching staff, our offense was not prepared. Their coaching staff has their QB abusing Savion Smith's coverage and Mack Wilson's bad angle taking, and our coaching staff leaves easy tells for plays like the pick6, where the guy literally cheated on the play knowing what was coming.
Clemson's coaching staff took Alabama's coaching staff to the woodshed. We did not lose because of QB play as the OP suggests.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:13 pm to cyclingout
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So instead of trying to justify all that bullshite in your head about throwing guys open and blown coverages and all that, you could have just said that Clemson's team was overall better than Alabama's team
Still waiting on the plays that show otherwise. I linked the video of the game, even gave you the times the drives started and talked about the drives individually. Busted coverage after busted coverage, almost always on Savion Smith(I'm tempeted to count up how many yards he gave up exactly, I know it's 160 yards minimum, not counting the 15 yard penalty).
Not a single person has shown where that analysis was wrong, and not a single person has shown otherwise.
After Savion Smith left the game(1st Clemson drive of the 2nd half), Clemson only managed 1 more TD the rest of the game(not that they needed it, but the success certainly dried up).
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:14 pm to 3down10
I will agree with you on the fact that Clemson’s staff did a great job preparing them and it wasn’t just QB play that was the difference.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I NEVER SAID YOU SAID HE SUCKED. I said that is a silly statement because a lot of very smart football people would absolutely take Lawrence over Tua right now. That doesn't mean everyone, it doesn't mean Lawrence is clearly better than Tua, it doesn't mean any of those things. It means that there is a reasonable debate about it and it's not foolish to pick one side or the other. That's it. That's all of it.
Come on man.
I asked then, I ask now - where is Lawrence the better QB?
He's taller...
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:16 pm to 3down10
If 44-16 didn't convince you, there's no way I can bring you back to earth and show you anything
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:18 pm to 3down10
Makes better decisions, stronger arm.
Name where Tua is better than Trevor
Name where Tua is better than Trevor
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:12 pm to cyclingout
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Makes better decisions, stronger arm.
Name where Tua is better than Trevor
Lawrence doesn't make better decisions. I'm not sure why you are acting like that game was in a vacuum and they played on equal terms. They didn't. And having a strong arm doesn't mean a ton - ever heard of Jamarcus Russell?
Lawrence had a much better game than Tua. That much is for sure. But it's not like they are in a free throw contest, it's a team sport.
As for Tua:
1. More accurate
2. Better/Quicker Release
3. More agile, is able to maintain his balance like a weeble wobble.
4. Better scrambler
5. Able to throw receivers open
6. Looks off defenders
7. More effecient, aka doesn't make mistakes(but he dropped off at the end of the season with all the injuries).
So basically Lawrence is taller and probably able to throw the ball harder, which actually isn't something that translates all that well to the game(but doesn't hurt unless he just throws it to hard and he doesn't).
Tua's arm strength is still more than enough to make any throws. I think the main thing against him would be his height. But there are other things he needs wto work on:
I don't like the way Tua takes a sack and I think it contributes to his injuries. He needs to work on that shite. I'm not sure how well Lawrence takes a sack, I'm not sure he was sacked the entire game and certainly didn't face the pressure Tua did.
But I guess getting 5 seconds in the pocket consistently just makes Lawrence a better QB. Personally, in my experience, I've noticed just about any QB that is given 5 seconds in a pocket consistently does well.
Tua can be a little loose with the football as well, needs to work on holding it better. Couldn't really tell with Lawrence, again wasn't really pressured.
Overall I'm kind of shocked Clemson fans would even remotely consider him on the same level as Watson. Kind of insulting to Watson really.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:28 pm to cyclingout
Well since nobody will post Trever Lawerence gifs, I will.
This was his 63 yard pass on Clemson's first TD drive. I say that's some pretty busted coverage by Savion Smith(maybe Thompson), I say he has all the time in the world, and 0 pressure, and that Mac Jones can make this pass as well as the majority of college football QB's. I guess some people think this is the greatest of all time QB play?
Here's another I mentioned before. This was on the drive that ended in a FG. Once again, a clean pocket, plenty of time and a wide open Savion Smith reciever.
Here's the good pass he threw that I mentioned before that I thought someone would post. Does a nice job throwing it over the head of the Alabama defenders where only Ross can get it. Nice catch too, and nice job for the Clemson line to give him a nice pocket once again. There isn't an Alabama defender within 5 yards.
And here is the great catch by Ross. Lawrence gets a tiny bit of pressure at the end(dumbass Tosh actually brought 5), but still enough time to get it off easily. Doesn't throw a good ball, but Ross makes up for it with a highlight reel catch.
0 sacks in this game and rarely even pressured = who the hell couldn't make good decisions and the majority of those throws.
This is what good coaching(Clemson) vs bad coaching(Alabama) looks like, not the "Greatest of all time" QB.
This was his 63 yard pass on Clemson's first TD drive. I say that's some pretty busted coverage by Savion Smith(maybe Thompson), I say he has all the time in the world, and 0 pressure, and that Mac Jones can make this pass as well as the majority of college football QB's. I guess some people think this is the greatest of all time QB play?
Here's another I mentioned before. This was on the drive that ended in a FG. Once again, a clean pocket, plenty of time and a wide open Savion Smith reciever.
Here's the good pass he threw that I mentioned before that I thought someone would post. Does a nice job throwing it over the head of the Alabama defenders where only Ross can get it. Nice catch too, and nice job for the Clemson line to give him a nice pocket once again. There isn't an Alabama defender within 5 yards.
And here is the great catch by Ross. Lawrence gets a tiny bit of pressure at the end(dumbass Tosh actually brought 5), but still enough time to get it off easily. Doesn't throw a good ball, but Ross makes up for it with a highlight reel catch.
0 sacks in this game and rarely even pressured = who the hell couldn't make good decisions and the majority of those throws.
This is what good coaching(Clemson) vs bad coaching(Alabama) looks like, not the "Greatest of all time" QB.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:31 pm to CAbamafan
Dabo is Sabanyte.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:40 pm to 3down10
Here's the 75 yard TD. He actually takes a hit on this one, but it doesn't matter because Ross has already broken Savion's ankles and heart.
Now go back and look at the Watson pictures I posted before. You can't see the difference?
Now go back and look at the Watson pictures I posted before. You can't see the difference?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:51 pm to 3down10
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0 sacks in this game and rarely even pressured
It’s called getting the ball out.
That gif shows how good everything about him is. Scanning the field, stepping up in the pocket, form, throw. That’s textbook.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 11:55 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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It’s called getting the ball out.
No, it's called Alabama wasn't bringing and getting pressure all game.
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That gif shows how good everything about him is. Scanning the field, stepping up in the pocket, form, throw. That’s textbook.
It's textbook because it's fricking easy. He's got 0 pressure and a wide open receiver coming across the middle with no linebacker anywhere near the middle of the field.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:09 am to CAbamafan
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By comparison, Saban has NEVER had the best QB in the country, and won 6 titles
Saban has more talent and more depth every year than anyone else in college football.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:10 am to 3down10
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It's textbook because it's fricking easy. He's got 0 pressure and a wide open receiver coming across the middle with no linebacker anywhere near the middle of the field.
He did what Tuna couldn’t do.
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Break this one down for us
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 12:14 am
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