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Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:01 pm to CAbamafan
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Trevor Lawrence may well end up re-writing the entire college record book, and will be the first pick in the NFL draft.
All that may be true but that doesn’t mean he was the best QB in the nation in 2018.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:05 pm to 3down10
This has to be sarcasm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:26 pm to cyclingout
3down10 is a fricking moron
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:29 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Rich Man's Bobby Bowden.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So you're just looking at stats and attributing them to his ability and nothing else?
Let me put it this way. When I watched Watson play, I thought "Damn this QB is fricking killing us". I watched him throw to receivers who were perfectly covered, throwing the ball before they made their breaks and hitting them. I saw him make plays with his legs that should have been over repeatedly.
I did not see ANYTHING remotely close to that when I watched Trevor Lawrence. What I saw was Alabama constantly fricking up coverage while giving up big plays. It was shitty defense lead by Savion Smith, who alone gave up like 140 yards on 2 plays, and there were others, then giving up a 1st down because of PI, etc.
Take the very first TD drive Clemson had(they went 3 and out to start the game). 4 plays, 75 yards. Tell me what did Trevor Lawrence do that was so great in that drive?
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28:04 begins right after Clemson gets a penalty for tripping. Short pass to make it 3rd and 14.
He throws the ball to wide open receiver that just blew by Savion Smith, and maybe Deionte missed his coverage as well. But he throws it to a wide open guy for 63 yards.
Next play is a run for a TD because Mack Wilson just plain fricking sucks at defending the run that isn't coming straight at him. He takes a bad angle.
There next drive is a 3 and out.
Following drive starts at 57:34
2nd and 9, Trever throws a 26 yard pass. But it's really just a screen and the reason it goes 26 yards is because Mack Wilson takes one of the worst angles I've ever seen and gets embarassed.
A couple of runs later lands them in 3rd and 5(58:51). Throws to a wide open guy running across the middle, who takes it up field for another 10 yards, 15 yard play, putting them inside the Alabama 5 yard line. A run a few plays later(and bad front line calls as everyone knows) and Clemson scores a TD, to take the lead 21-16.
Next drive Tua throws the interception, Clemson start midfield. This drive has mostly some dinking and dunking going on, short passes etc. But on 3rd and 7 from our own 31(1:10:40), he throws a 26 yard pass to yet another wide open reciever that was supposed to be covered by Savion Smith.
Throws a 5 yard TD pass 2 plays later. Clemson takes the lead 28-16.
Their next drive, 1st and 10 throws 19 yard pass to another wide open guy(S. Smith covering of course). 2nd and 10, gets another 12 yards(Smith covering again) and then there is a late hit tacked on. 1st and 5(another bama penalty), 12 yard pass to somewhat covered guy, but it's an easy throw, just a slant. He throws some inc's after that and they settle for a FG.
And that's the first half. I saw nothing even a QB like Mac Jones wouldn't be able to do.
2nd half: 1st drive, Savion Smith gives up a 75 yard TD. At least HALF his passing yard came against Savion. That's coaching knowing how to abuse a player with the play calls, not a great QB.
Savion left the game and the free yards went away. Clemson only scored 1 more time, but it's hard to judge because the score was already 37-16.
There is like 1 play that I can think of where he made a good throw where only his receiver could get it. Everything else was a result of his coaches knowing how to abuse the Alabama defenders and they gave him wide open receiver after another to throw too.
He had tons of time in the pocket all night. I'm not even sure if he got sacked all night, maybe once.
Most of his running yards came late in the game.
Please show me where the hell this "all time great" QB is hiding, because I sure as hell can't find him in this game. Just show me these great plays he made that say "Wow, this kid is on another level".
Clemson coaching is what I saw. Mac Jones could have put up the same numbers.
Let me put it this way. When I watched Watson play, I thought "Damn this QB is fricking killing us". I watched him throw to receivers who were perfectly covered, throwing the ball before they made their breaks and hitting them. I saw him make plays with his legs that should have been over repeatedly.
I did not see ANYTHING remotely close to that when I watched Trevor Lawrence. What I saw was Alabama constantly fricking up coverage while giving up big plays. It was shitty defense lead by Savion Smith, who alone gave up like 140 yards on 2 plays, and there were others, then giving up a 1st down because of PI, etc.
Take the very first TD drive Clemson had(they went 3 and out to start the game). 4 plays, 75 yards. Tell me what did Trevor Lawrence do that was so great in that drive?
LINK
28:04 begins right after Clemson gets a penalty for tripping. Short pass to make it 3rd and 14.
He throws the ball to wide open receiver that just blew by Savion Smith, and maybe Deionte missed his coverage as well. But he throws it to a wide open guy for 63 yards.
Next play is a run for a TD because Mack Wilson just plain fricking sucks at defending the run that isn't coming straight at him. He takes a bad angle.
There next drive is a 3 and out.
Following drive starts at 57:34
2nd and 9, Trever throws a 26 yard pass. But it's really just a screen and the reason it goes 26 yards is because Mack Wilson takes one of the worst angles I've ever seen and gets embarassed.
A couple of runs later lands them in 3rd and 5(58:51). Throws to a wide open guy running across the middle, who takes it up field for another 10 yards, 15 yard play, putting them inside the Alabama 5 yard line. A run a few plays later(and bad front line calls as everyone knows) and Clemson scores a TD, to take the lead 21-16.
Next drive Tua throws the interception, Clemson start midfield. This drive has mostly some dinking and dunking going on, short passes etc. But on 3rd and 7 from our own 31(1:10:40), he throws a 26 yard pass to yet another wide open reciever that was supposed to be covered by Savion Smith.
Throws a 5 yard TD pass 2 plays later. Clemson takes the lead 28-16.
Their next drive, 1st and 10 throws 19 yard pass to another wide open guy(S. Smith covering of course). 2nd and 10, gets another 12 yards(Smith covering again) and then there is a late hit tacked on. 1st and 5(another bama penalty), 12 yard pass to somewhat covered guy, but it's an easy throw, just a slant. He throws some inc's after that and they settle for a FG.
And that's the first half. I saw nothing even a QB like Mac Jones wouldn't be able to do.
2nd half: 1st drive, Savion Smith gives up a 75 yard TD. At least HALF his passing yard came against Savion. That's coaching knowing how to abuse a player with the play calls, not a great QB.
Savion left the game and the free yards went away. Clemson only scored 1 more time, but it's hard to judge because the score was already 37-16.
There is like 1 play that I can think of where he made a good throw where only his receiver could get it. Everything else was a result of his coaches knowing how to abuse the Alabama defenders and they gave him wide open receiver after another to throw too.
He had tons of time in the pocket all night. I'm not even sure if he got sacked all night, maybe once.
Most of his running yards came late in the game.
Please show me where the hell this "all time great" QB is hiding, because I sure as hell can't find him in this game. Just show me these great plays he made that say "Wow, this kid is on another level".
Clemson coaching is what I saw. Mac Jones could have put up the same numbers.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:31 pm to boulwarejockstrap
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3down10 is a fricking moron
Show me the great plays he made against Alabama other than the 1 pass he threw over a receivers head.
You should be able to have like tons of them right?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:38 pm to 3down10
The outcome of the game was 44-16. That’s really all you need to know buttercup.
For you to deliberate about things and symbolically cope with your loss, proves you are a moron.
For you to deliberate about things and symbolically cope with your loss, proves you are a moron.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:43 pm to boulwarejockstrap
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The outcome of the game was 44-16. That’s really all you need to know buttercup.
For you to deliberate about things and symbolically cope with your loss, proves you are a moron.
Yeah, frick those people who are able to watch the game and actually examine how the points and such are scored.
You want to talk about how great Watson is? I can do that. And I can show you plenty of gif's of him making crazy awesome plays against one of the greatest defenses of all time, rather than a bunch of open WR from busted coverages.
Your turn. There are plenty more like these btw. I haven't even posted his best one yet.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:43 pm to 3down10
So Mac Jones better than Lawerence? Ok
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:44 pm to 3down10
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So you're just looking at stats and attributing them to his ability and nothing else?
This is sad dude. Kid is a really good player. It's not hard to admit.
You could go down the exact same sort of throw by throw line on Tua and find 60 throws where his guy was wide open or his receivers made great plays. You know it and I know it.
And I was sitting in the endzone in Santa Clara watching him, so no, I'm not just looking at stats. The kid made every 3rd down throw with guys all around him and made long cross field throws look easy.
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Clemson coaching is what I saw. Mac Jones could have put up the same numbers.
I mean seriously, I don't even know if you are trolling right now.
Also, not sure why you are arguing by saying Watson was great. Those 2 games from Watson were 2 of, if not the, finest quarterbacking games I've ever seen (especially the 1st one). Not being as good as that doesn't mean a whole lot to me.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:45 pm to Icoachfb
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So Mac Jones better than Lawerence? Ok
I guess reading comp is a bit hard?
Lawrence was never challenged in this game because Clemson's coaches did such a great job exploiting Alabama's weaknesses on defense.
It was so bad, even Mac Jones could have won the game. Alabama did not lose because of QB play.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:47 pm to 3down10
I'd like to once again add I never said he was the greatest QB of all-time, I said that his performance down the stretch last year as a true freshman on the biggest stage combined with his abilities (which are documented and not up for debate) make it very much an "argument" as to who you would take between him and Tua.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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This is sad dude. Kid is a really good player. It's not hard to admit.
You could go down the exact same sort of throw by throw line on Tua and find 60 throws where his guy was wide open or his receivers made great plays. You know it and I know it.
And I was sitting in the endzone in Santa Clara watching him, so no, I'm not just looking at stats. The kid made every 3rd down throw with guys all around him and made long cross field throws look easy.
What's sad are people who lack the mental capacity to tell the difference between saying a kid isn't "the greatest all time QB" and saying he isn't good.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd like to once again add I never said he was the greatest QB of all-time, I said that his performance down the stretch last year as a true freshman on the biggest stage combined with his abilities (which are documented and not up for debate) make it very much an "argument" as to who you would take between him and Tua.
Maybe everything isn't about you? But sure, go ahead and blame me because you assed yourself into an existing conversation and made up your own context. Go read the OP again.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:49 pm to 3down10
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What's sad are people who lack the mental capacity to tell the difference between saying a kid isn't "the greatest all time QB" and saying he isn't good.
Well you started arguing with me because I said it wasn't "foolish" to say that you might take Lawrence over Tua.
I certainly never engaged in any sort of "greatest of all-time" talk. I never even said it's a sure thing that you take Lawrence. I literally said it's understandable if someone says they would (as many, many, many scouts have said they would).
So that's not really a fair rebuttle.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:50 pm to 3down10
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you assed yourself into an existing conversation and made up your own context. Go read the OP again.
Dude, you literally said this
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Anyone who would take Lawrence over Tua is a fool.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Dude, you literally said this
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Anyone who would take Lawrence over Tua is a fool.
And from that you get that I think he sucks? Again, my fault because you lack the mental capacity to see the grey areas?
Why isn't anyone posting great plays by Lawrence by Alabama? I can remember one pass that was pretty good, surely it will get posted.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:56 pm to 3down10
NFL executives sure seem to like him.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Well you started arguing with me because I said it wasn't "foolish" to say that you might take Lawrence over Tua.
I certainly never engaged in any sort of "greatest of all-time" talk. I never even said it's a sure thing that you take Lawrence. I literally said it's understandable if someone says they would (as many, many, many scouts have said they would).
So that's not really a fair rebuttle.
No, you went and quoted his numbers in response. So I went play by play for the entire 1st half and the 1st drive of the 2nd half that made it 37-16.
0 great plays made by the QB in that time.
Prove me wrong, show me these great plays. I have no trouble doing it for Watson, who I actually believe does deserve to be in the conversation for greatest-all-time.
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