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Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:19 pm to CAbamafan
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Yeah, again my point is that he doesn’t necessarily have the best players. He just happens to have the best QB.
Probably right...take Cam away from AU and they go 7-4 at best.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:21 pm to CAbamafan
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The one year he didn’t have an absolutely freaky QB, his season was somewhat pedestrian
They went 12-2 including a win over an Auburn team that beat us and had only 2 wins decided by single digits.
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and got crushed in the playoffs by a Hurts-led Alabama team.
Not really crushed. They lost a field position game. All of our points came on drives of under 50 yards and a pick six.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:21 pm to CAbamafan
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Alabama had over 400 yards. They weren’t exactly shut down by some mastermind. They shot themselves in the foot a lot in the red zone. Alabama only had 40 fewer total yards. It was just a weird game
Bama scored 3 points in the 2nd Quarter and was shut out of the entire 2nd half. Yes, you were shutdown by a defensive mastermind.
Pure yardage in today's game simply doesn't mean much. If this were 1990 that would be a great measure but the game has changed.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:29 pm to Prof
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No, but Brent Venables is that good.
I see this take all the time now, but Clemson has been as good on offense outside of 2017.
S&P+ Defense Ranking
2015: 11
2016: 6
2017: 2
2018: 3
S&P Offense Ranking
2015: 10
2016: 3
2017: 20
2018: 5
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:30 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I see this take all the time now, but Clemson has been as good on offense outside of 2017.
Yea - not sure how neither of those OC's has gotten a head coaching gig. Their names never even come up on the radar. I get that they Clemson and all that, but it's a bit strange unless they are just totally going the Kirby route and waiting for the perfect job.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Their names never even come up on the radar. I get that they Clemson and all that, but it's a bit strange unless they are just totally going the Kirby route and waiting for the perfect job.
And Chad Morris did pretty well at SMU coming from that same role. You would've thought at least ECU or Charlotte would've given one of them a call this past cycle.
Maybe doing to co-oc thing wards teams off because they don't know who's actually responsible.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:34 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I see this take all the time now, but Clemson has been as good on offense outside of 2017.
Lots of teams are good on offense. It's a requirement to even get that far and one of the reasons OU appears a lot but has trouble finishing. However, Clemson would've beaten Bama that game even with a lower rated offense because their defense is that good.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:34 pm to CAbamafan
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Urban Meyer is a guy that won without necessarily having the best QB.
when has Urban ever won a national title or anything of significance without an elite QB? And let's also not pretend like Tua and McCarron weren't great QBs. They are directly responsible for half of Saban's titles.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:36 pm to Prof
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However, Clemson would've beaten Bama that game even with a lower rated offense because their defense is that good.
I'm not sure they would have. Their explosiveness single handily caused us to play outside our comfort zone, take chances we might not normally have taken, etc. We knew we had to score TDs, and so every red zone trip was paramount. We had something like 5 empty red zone trips.
The prior year game is a perfect example of what we can do when we feel confident that you aren't going to score quickly or often.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:39 pm to lsufball19
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And let's also not pretend like Tua and McCarron weren't great QBs. They are directly responsible for half of Saban's titles.
Yea I don't really understand the great QB thing. Like, what does that matter? They didn't just randomly show up on campus.
Also, Dabo is going to have great QBs at the very least in 2019 and 2020, and probably in 2021 and 2022 based on the newest QB commit.
So he will have had "great QBs" for 8 of the last 9 years.........that just means the accomplishments aren't his? Just stupid. First it was "he only hires assistants" and now it's "well he has great QBs". All I know is he seems to be really good at finding good people and putting them in position to succeed.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:52 pm to CAbamafan
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He’s 6’6”, mobile, he started for his HS at age 14, he broke all of Deshaun Watson’s HS records in Georgia, and just ripped Alabama’s defense apart in a NC game as a true freshman, as well as going undefeated.
Trevor Lawrence may well end up re-writing the entire college record book, and will be the first pick in the NFL draft.
What part of that qualifies for "all-time best"?
I really don't know how to put into words how useless things like "broke all of watson's records" is. Especially since it's HS records. Most people just don't leave the players in long enough to break them. Others could have done the same things many times over.
He wasn't doing anything near the things Watson was doing. Watson would throw balls before the reciever would break, and then hit the smallest of windows. He scrambled out of impossible situations. Lawrence abused bad coverage, and ran a few times with backs turned.
But I hope people keep blowing all this smoke.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:04 pm to CAbamafan
But wasn't everybody saying that Tua was the best up until the end of the season?
I love the excuses
I love the excuses
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:20 pm to cyclingout
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But wasn't everybody saying that Tua was the best up until the end of the season?
I love the excuses
Anyone who would take Lawrence over Tua is a fool.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:21 pm to 3down10
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Anyone who would take Lawrence over Tua is a fool.
Well that's pretty silly. You may personally take Tua, and that's semi-defensible, but there are very defensible reasons to take Lawrence and you certainly wouldn't be foolish to take him.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:24 pm to Prof
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Lots of teams are good on offense. It's a requirement to even get that far and one of the reasons OU appears a lot but has trouble finishing. However, Clemson would've beaten Bama that game even with a lower rated offense because their defense is that good.
They had a bunch of seniors come back that could have been drafted on defense.
But even more importantly they had a great gameplan and knew exactly how to exploit Tua. And of course, then they had the talent to pull it off.
I think Clemson's defense was a big deal in this game and gets no credit. Similar to A&M's defense in 2012 vs Alabama and everyone gave Manziel the credit...because of plays like a fumble bouncing back in his hands etc.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Well that's pretty silly. You may personally take Tua, and that's semi-defensible, but there are very defensible reasons to take Lawrence and you certainly wouldn't be foolish to take him.
If you want to take a QB who's not as good, then that's foolish to me.
Where is Lawrence better?
Remind me again, which QB just finished the best season as a QB ever in college football?
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:34 pm to 3down10
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If you want to take a QB who's not as good, then that's foolish to me.
Where is Lawrence better?
Remind me again, which QB just finished the best season as a QB ever in college football?
Trevor Lawrence was a true freshman. His last 5 games of his freshman season, including the CFP against Notre Dame and Alabama, he had the following stat line
1,436 yards
287 YPG (including only 118 in a monsoon vs Pitt)
8.5 YPA
11 TD / 0 INT
63.3% completion
In the playoffs
2 games
674 yards
337 YPG
9.5 YPA
6 TD / 0 INT
66.2% completion
I don't know what to tell you man. His stats were unreal, his tools are unreal and he was a true freshman.
I love Tua, I think he's going to have another huge year, but this argument that he is definitely without a doubt better than Lawrence moving forward and that anybody who says otherwise is a fool is just...........it's foolish.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:35 pm to 3down10
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the best season as a QB ever in college football?
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