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Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:15 am to phil4bama
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I worry about the wear and tear on the athletes.
Expanding to 8 would only add one game. Additionally, if conference championship games were eliminated, who would be chosen if there were 2 undefeated co-champions?
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:36 am to cyarrr
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Additionally, if conference championship games were eliminated...,
Why do people keep suggesting something when they know there's no way in hell that it will ever happen?
Seriously: does anyone on the board who has been watching college football longer than six weeks actually believe that eliminating conference championships is something that would ever be considered? Then why even keep mentioning it?
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:40 am to dawgfan24348
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No it's just common sense even the FCS has a 16 team playoff.
Every time I see someone mention the FCS as an example, I know I'm dealing with someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
1. The FCS has a 24 team playoff, not 16. You can see the bracket here.
2. There are seven teams in the FCS with 4 losses, and one with 5 losses. And, of course they all lost their first game...except the game where two of them played each other. Yeah, let's reward mediocre teams by letting them into the playoffs.
3. Those 8 teams that received byes? They all won their games against the first round winners by an average of three touchdowns. But hey, let's hold up the FCS and an example of how it can be done.
Clemson-Ohio State & Bama-Michigan State weren't enough. Let's add more blowouts so more teams can get participation trophies. Fairhope Tider is absolutely correct. 4. To fit in those playoff games, FCS teams only play 11 games. I'm sure that the 80 or 90 FBS teams who would never sniff even an 8 team playoff in 50 years would gladly give up one of their valuable home games, a game that generates huge revenue for the school, the surrounding community, gets prospective students and parents on campus...so that the maybe 20-25 "elite" programs can now have a chance of being one of the extra 4 teams in the expanded playoff.
Yeah...that's gonna happen.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:43 am to Toroballistic
Yeah the MLB, NFL, NCAA BB Tournament have no integrity
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:43 am to BamaGradinTn
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Every time I see someone mention the FCS as an example, I know I'm dealing with someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
Im listening..
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:47 am to SammyTiger
They also just give you a champion, not necessarily one of the best teams. The NY Giants won a Super Bowl after going 10-6 in the regular season. Obviously not one of the best team that year.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:54 am to bamafan1001
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Every time I see someone mention the FCS as an example, I know I'm dealing with someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
Im listening..
See my edits above. See, when he said 16 teams, I immediately knew. Apparently you didn't. But Google is your friend.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:50 pm to biggsc
People need to stop with the talk about conference champs getting auto bids because that would kill late season OOC games. Think of all those times UF and FSU were top 5 in November and had already either won their conference or secured a spot in the CCG. Those games would've been worthless.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 3:14 pm to BamaGradinTn
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more teams can get participation trophies.
Keep seeing this phrase regarding this argument. It means nothing at all. A playoff appearance isnt a trophy. When a top 4 ranked team plays a top 15 team, its usually a big game.
Would Georgia have gone undefeated with Notre Dame’s schedule...probably. Guess how good your schedule is doesn’t matter, its all about having less losses than the next guy. Oklahoma lost to a 4 loss team. Guess they got a participation trophy this season. Bama’s title last year...participation trophy. Two loss LSU in 07...participation trophy.
Bet you don’t apply the same standard to basketball. For every 12 games you play, you better have less than 2 losses...that eliminates basically 90% of the tournament.
You set up 1 loss as this arbitrary point of deserving a chance at a NC game. It isnt that cut and dry
But even so...I dont care about the idealism at all. I wanna see more good football. Im not saying its fair or ideal or that teams deserve it. I dont give a frick if they do or not. I just know it would be absolutely badass to see a 16 game playoff. Basically 16 of the top 20 games in an entire season in about a months time
As for the lost home game...simple fix. Have contracted games that are dependent on the teams not making the playoff. IF they do, the game is canceled and the visiting team gets a fee or they can reschedule.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 5:31 pm to Korin
If it's just conference champs I wouldn't schedule a single non conference game that wasn't a perennial loser. No more high profile non conference games, no more kick-off classics. Strictly Montana state, Eastern Carolina, mississippi college and Pittsburgh state.
Who cares. They wouldn't matter. Notre dame USC and Florida fsu games are useless and I wouldn't play them.
I also would then use my non conference games as exhibitions and get a look at my backups while resting my starters because...it doesn't matter. If I'm the head coach I watch non conference games from the press box to scout my backups or I send myself and half my staff to scout other possible opponents for my playoff run. Heck, non conference games are now basically JV games anyway.
I would roll to the playoffs at 9-4 and be the favorite to win.
I don't know why the conference champs only crowd doesn't see what this does to college football. How the hell does what I've stated above just go over your head.
Who cares. They wouldn't matter. Notre dame USC and Florida fsu games are useless and I wouldn't play them.
I also would then use my non conference games as exhibitions and get a look at my backups while resting my starters because...it doesn't matter. If I'm the head coach I watch non conference games from the press box to scout my backups or I send myself and half my staff to scout other possible opponents for my playoff run. Heck, non conference games are now basically JV games anyway.
I would roll to the playoffs at 9-4 and be the favorite to win.
I don't know why the conference champs only crowd doesn't see what this does to college football. How the hell does what I've stated above just go over your head.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 5:32 pm to biggsc
Not anytime soon.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 5:59 pm to FairhopeTider
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The old school fans aren't the problem. Its the reactionary, everyone gets a trophy crowd that's the problem.
How does expanding the playoffs from four to eight grant everyone a trophy? If I'm not mistaken, there's still just one trophy at the end of the day.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:02 pm to Korin
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Think of all those times UF and FSU were top 5 in November and had already either won their conference or secured a spot in the CCG. Those games would've been worthless.
1996 Florida-Florida State did just that in the days of the Bowl Alliance. The game they played in the regular season ended up not mattering.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:02 pm to TouchdownTony
I agree with you about conference champs but in an 8 game or more playoff you gotta reward the top 4 with home field games. Seeding would be huge
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:14 pm to PEPE
If conference championships are the main criteria , then the regular season is meaningful. More so than the “eye test”.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 6:41 pm to bamafan1001
"As for the lost home game...simple fix. Have contracted games that are dependent on the teams not making the playoff. IF they do, the game is canceled and the visiting team gets a fee or they can reschedule".
HOW do you cancel/ reschedule DURING THE SEASON???
HOW do you cancel/ reschedule DURING THE SEASON???
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:07 pm to southernboisb
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HOW do you cancel/ reschedule DURING THE SEASON???
1) Pick up the phone
2) Call the other AD, tell him the game is canceled and his check is in the mail
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:33 pm to bamafan1001
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I just know it would be absolutely badass to see a 16 game playoff.
No, you don't "know" it. What you know is that you would like it. The vast majority of fans have no interest in it.
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As for the lost home game...simple fix. Have contracted games that are dependent on the teams not making the playoff. IF they do, the game is canceled and the visiting team gets a fee or they can reschedule.
This is downright comical. "Simple fix"?
Did you actually put any thought into it? What about the team that loses a home game and can't find an opponent? Serious question: have you ever been to a college football game on campus? Tuscaloosa, for example. Ever been? I have my doubts, because if you actually have been to a game and were sober, you couldn't help but notice all of the organizations and individuals impacted by having a game on campus. You think just writing a check can make up for that lost gameday weekend...not just the money to the athletic department, but all of the associated businesses, on and off campus, the lost opportunity to have prospective students and parents on campus, the lost pay to countless numbers of individuals and non-profits, the lost opportunity for the team to play a game? If you think that any university would ever willingly enter into contracted games in this manner, then this whole conversation is way over your head.
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HOW do you cancel/ reschedule DURING THE SEASON???
1) Pick up the phone 2) Call the other AD, tell him the game is canceled and his check is in the mail
Again, if you think scheduling, canceling, and rescheduling games with different opponents during the season is this simple...that an AD can just suddenly find another team that needs a game in three or four weeks, pick up the phone, and schedule a game with them, then this conversation is way over your head.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 8:54 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Serious question: have you ever been to a college football game on campus?
Weve had this discussion before. You were just as much of a condescending angry douche then as you are now. Yes douchebag I graduated from Bama, played Baseball there, worked for the athletic department including gameday. I grew up in Tuscaloosa and have owned and operated a business in Tuscaloosa. You dont know anymore about this than I do. Your opinion isnt fact. Your notions and understandings about things arent fact.
Ive also worked for athletic departments at other collegiate programs. Tuscaloosa, and SEC programs are unique in that they do bring in lots of people but few other schools out there bring in that kind of presence. Losing a home game wouldnt sink Alabama and certainly wouldnt sink the vast majority of schools out there.
Dont wanna lose the 12th game...then keep it on the damn schedule. Sorry bud but the annual rent-a-win isnt gonna prevent an expanded playoff from moving forward.
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If you think that any university would ever willingly enter into contracted games in this manner, then this whole conversation is way over your head.
You sound like a sports radio caller who calls in screaming about how smart they are while just repeating something theyve heard from someone else. You dont know shite. This is YOUR OPINION...not a fact. Its not even your opinion because that would require you had some kind of knowledge about things work in an athletic department. In truth, you know nothing. You can scream and bang your fists on your keyboard all you want to but it wont change that.
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Again, if you think scheduling, canceling, and rescheduling games with different opponents during the season is this simple...that an AD can just suddenly find another team that needs a game in three or four weeks, pick up the phone, and schedule a game with them, then this conversation is way over your head.
Ok bigshot, you tell me how one team who has an open week cant arrange for a football game with another program that also has an open week. Be specific.
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I just know it would be absolutely badass to see a 16 game playoff.
No, you don't "know" it. What you know is that you would like it. The vast majority of fans have no interest in it.
Again, you are talking out of your arse, presenting YOUR OPINION as FACT. Have you seen polling? You obviously havent talked to "a majority of fans" what exactly are you basing this statement on?
Heres MY OPINION: if you did interview fans from east to west coast and asked about a 16 game playoff relative to what we have now, youd find very few that "arent interested in it" especially if it were a legitimate possibility.
Lastly, lighten up and have a beer or something. You can disagree with someone without sounding like a condescending asswhipe.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 8:57 pm
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