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re: Is Alabama's defense overrated?

Posted on 11/1/13 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by americanrealism
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 12:35 pm to
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how could LSU lose to a team without a pulse (Ole Miss)


Didn't you see his previous posts? He gets to throw that one out because it's a statistical outlier. It doesn't really represent their team.

Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 12:37 pm to
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Kind if like bama last year? Lsu , A&M and lsu moved the ball at will against bama last year. Does that mean Bama's defense wast the best defense in the sec?



LSU and LSU...?

Dude, LSU managed 17 points. "Moving the ball at will" means nothing if you can't seal the deal. That's like being called the "sexiest virgin".
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 12:42 pm to
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Dude, LSU managed 17 points. "Moving the ball at will" means nothing if you can't seal the deal. That's like being called the "sexiest virgin".



I guess you didn't hear Rickdaddy earlier. Moving the ball means more than scoring points.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 1:42 pm to
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Bell


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It statements like this that make bama fan look like the most biased fan base in cfb. Bell doesn't have 900 yards for his career but yeah he could be 1000 yard receiver.


Again, you are too invested in an antagonistic and biased point of view yourself to see things clearly. Kenny Bell is a damn good WR and would put up 1000 yards if he had the chance, it's not lack of ABILITY just OPPORTUNITY. You're just hell bent on making a point no matter how wrong it is. Also, let's look back at our exchange. I was clearly trying to talk football with you but you just couldn't handle it without making some cheap shot. Just a few posts before mine however, you chided some other poster for the exact same thing YOU just did. What that tells me is that you are too eager on voicing your side of the story to see that you are being totally hackish and duplicitous.

When you make statements like Bama's WR's suck...that just tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Have a nice day!
This post was edited on 11/1/13 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Shady Dealings
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 3:56 pm to
Christian Jones is an do it all type player. To say he's not a Round 1-3 draft pick next year is crazy. The kid leads the SEC in kickoff returns and punt returns, leads the team in receptions, and the coaches have enough confidence in his talent to line him up in the backfield several times a game. He's a smart kid with high mental capability and has STAR written all over him in the NFL. He's the type guy that comes in and makes an immediate impact for a team.

Posted by bopper50
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 4:06 pm to
Bama does not need a defense when their offense holds every play !
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 4:09 pm to
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Christian Jones is an do it all type player. To say he's not a Round 1-3 draft pick next year is crazy. The kid leads the SEC in kickoff returns and punt returns, leads the team in receptions, and the coaches have enough confidence in his talent to line him up in the backfield several times a game. He's a smart kid with high mental capability and has STAR written all over him in the NFL. He's the type guy that comes in and makes an immediate impact for a team.



He's a slot WR in the NFL. Will never be an outside guy. Next year he can only help his stock, but to say he's a top three round pick right now...take off the Crimson and White glasses.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 4:12 pm to
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Again, you are too invested in an antagonistic and biased point of view yourself to see things clearly. Kenny Bell is a damn good WR and would put up 1000 yards if he had the chance, it's not lack of ABILITY just OPPORTUNITY



This is sooooo wrong. Norwood, White, maybe Ch. Jones? Yes. Bell? No. His best asset has always been straight line speed. He's not a good route runner, doesn't have good hands. He has always been a go deep or take a screen guy. He only plays now because he's experienced and he's one of AJ's best friends. He isn't that talented, and couldn't be a number one WR. He's not even as fast as he was last year, he's visibly lost a step. Like I told the other guy, take off the C/W glasses.

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When you make statements like Bama's WR's suck...that just tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Have a nice day!



I tend to agree with that sentiment about Rick, but based on the rest of your post, you shouldn't be the one telling him he doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't take offense to that, you're just being biased.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 4:14 pm to
God do you LSU fans ever get tired of crying about us and the refs? Have some self dignity for crying out loud.
Posted by Shady Dealings
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 4:29 pm to
If you've watched the NFL the past few years you would understand that teams are placing more and more value in versatile, explosive slot guys.

Percy Harvin, Randall Cobb, Tavon Austin, Dexter McCluster. All have been round 1-3 picks and all have enough versatility to do things like run the ball occasionally out of the backfield and field returns.

Christion Jones is cut from the same mold and I see him easily being a 2nd or 3rd round guy. Even Saban has alluded to the fact that the kid is good enough to play running back.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 4:36 pm to
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If you've watched the NFL the past few years you would understand that teams are placing more and more value in versatile, explosive slot guys.


Oh I watch a lot of NFL games every week. I understand what they're doing. Jones isn't "explosive" in the mold of a guy like Harvin or Austin. They're very fast to go with their quickness. Christion is quick, good route runner, but he isn't that fast straight line, at least not right now. This year he looks significantly faster than last, maybe he makes more strides going into next year.


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Christion Jones is cut from the same mold and I see him easily being a 2nd or 3rd round guy. Even Saban has alluded to the fact that the kid is good enough to play running back.


I'm sure he is, doesn't make him a top three round pick. I HOPE he is after his Senior season next year, but based off of what we've seen so far? You're jumping the gun a bit.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48086 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:15 pm to
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nny Bell is a damn good WR and would put up 1000 yards if he had the chance, it's not lack of ABILITY just OPPORTUNI


And it continues. Kenny bell doesn't have 900 yards FOR HIS CAREER. You don't know football
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:17 pm to
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I guess you didn't hear Rickdaddy earlier. Moving the ball means more than scoring points.


Need said that. I said points don't automatically equate to being a good offense. I said having yards mean your offense is moving the ball. You can have 20 yards of offense and two tds. Doesn't mean your offense is great. That's what I said.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48086 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:19 pm to
Last year, when bama played a decent offense, they gave up yards and points. Uga lsu and A&M
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48086 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:21 pm to
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Out of Cooper's own fricking mouth.


I ran a 4.21. It's out of my mouth. Cooper ran a 4.57 coming out of high school. If you believe he actually runs a sub 4.4 , let's make a perms ban bet that he doesn't run in the 4.3's at the combine.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:23 pm to
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I ran a 4.21. It's out of my mouth. Cooper ran a 4.57 coming out of high school. If you believe he actually runs a sub 4.4 , let's make a perms ban bet that he doesn't run in the 4.3's at the combine.



And you say you ran a 4.21 and I have no concrete evidence to prove otherwise, so I've got no reason not to believe you.

Like I said, I don't know what he runs, but I was told, and he said, he ran sub 4.4. I think he'll probably run something like 4.44, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if he ran 4.38. You go off of a HS time like it can never change. Maybe it hasn't. I don't know. Neither do you. Won't matter, he's still a stud. If he doesn't run sub 4.4 just means his other talents are that good.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48086 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:27 pm to
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This whole thread is a clinic in people manipulating the use of statistics to try and prove their point of view. It's pretty entertaining.


I didn't manipulate stats. I used them. There is a difference. Bama posters talking about how elite their wr corp is when not one of them as elite stats. Not one. So saying bama has elite wr is based off of nothing but opinion.
You actually have bama posters in here saying bama has 4 wr that will be drafted in the first 3 rounds. And that Kenny bell could e a 1000 yards receiver.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:28 pm to
There's no way Cooper doesn't run faster than a 4.57.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 6:29 pm to
And if you wanna inquire about other times, this is what I was told


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White didn't run due to rehab, but ran a 4.39 last year. Cooper ran 4.41 last year and 4.38 this year. Yeldon ran 4.57 and Drake ran 4.40 this year.


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Vinnie was 4.61


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Collins is still sub 4.4, he turned in a 4.39.



I'm guessing none of those times are right to you, are they?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48086 posts
Posted on 11/1/13 at 9:06 pm to
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There's no way Cooper doesn't run faster than a 4.57.


And why is that? Because he plays at bama? He was hand timed( faster than electronic times) at 4.57 when he came out.
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