re: In the last 40 years Notre Dame has 1 NC.

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They are not a blue blood program any more.

In the same time frame

Bama has 8
Miami 5
FSU UF Neb. Have 3
Ole Miss 0

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Hell GT has one (edit, was thinking of UGA)

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They are not a blue blood program any more.

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Blood status doesn't change, which makes the metaphor clunky at best when applied to football.

But, are they still a traditional power? I'd argue yes.

Not because of the wins and losses, but because of influence. Influence is true power; program wealth and strength are simply means to attain it.

Nd has 1 NC in 40 years and received an arse kicking in their last NCG. Yet, in any year they start winning, they shoot into the top 10 and the media loves it. The narrative that football is better when ND is good continues today.

The definition of living off decades old history and a movie.

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They forfeited wins due to academic fraud a few years ago.

They can read but had give out false grades

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You obviously know nothing about their NCAA case. Let me put it as short as possible for you, their honor code would likely disqualify half of Alabama's players. Because it was so strict, more so than the NCAA requires, they were further penalized for it. Let's dump on a university that actually enforces moral standards.

Notre Dame is as powerful a football school as there is in the nation. Period. That's why they are independent and thriving.

This stuff is kind of lame. UCF has won 25 games in a row. When was the last program to do that. I bet Georgia has never done it. Ever.

So is Georgia not a better program than UCF?

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Once gained the status remains.

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Spoken like a Texan

Blue blood refers to the blood in the German / Russian line and transferred to the English via George the First. All of Europe (and most of the world) was built on monarchies or dictatorships and the Rule of Primogeniture. Under the custom only the first legitimate male heir could inherit. Children down the line - especially female and illegitimate - were excluded and had to live at the whim of their older brother of be disposed and penniless.

Part of what made America great was this became the land of opportunity for the lesser children to make their own wealth and history outside of the formal courts of the day. As this country grew we grew without a noble class and were instead filled with a faux nobility based on wealth not bloodlines. As such you could go "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations" as privilege was lost as the wealth was lost. As most of the state of Texas is still new money it escapes the vestiges of old money in that true old money does not display outward signs of great wealth.

Applied to sports means you have no real blue bloods as none are of noble birth but are creations of monetary wealth. As such they can rise and fall based on their ability to command the accumulation of wealth. While Harvard, Yale, and the other early "wealth" of sports have faded they still have wealth of enterprise and education. If the early east coast teams were still viable (from money) they would be buying teams to remain in the Top 20 or so football teams in the country. Hell, Vanderbilt was a football school prior to the rise of the state schools and beat Texas enough that they replaced Vanderbilt at the State Fair with Oklahoma.

As for the current state of college football only a few really have kept their "factory" current and operating the whole time. Here are some observations of current and former teams with the "elite" air, current or lost.

Chicago was the power till they focused on academics over athletics and nobody would call them a football "blueblood" today. Similar was Tulane who gave us the Sugar Bowl but declined the Rose Bowl that Alabama won as it interfered with academics. Bernie left Tulane to coach at Minnesota and became the Alabama of that era from WI to WWII. The absence of Chicago and Minnesota was the key reason Ohio State rose to prominence in the B1G.

Of the combination of the old Big 8 and SWC the Oklahoma Sooners were, and still are, the best of the 4 teams from that area. Nebraska was a clear #2, Texas a clear #3, and Arkansas rounded out the #4 spot. While Texas may pretend to be the leader of the lot their biggest success came with just 2 coaches and bullying lots of their little brothers in the state for gaudy overall numbers. Sooners are still the top dog as evidenced by this years CFP while Texas still has limited success with more money and more in state talent. Nebraska will no longer be elite in a generation as they joined a conference that will always but Buckeyes and Wolverines ahead of them. Penn State is in a similar boat now, especially with Pittsburgh in a P5 where they can compete in state better.

Early on the power in the SEC were the private schools like Tulane and Vanderbilt but clearly this no longer is the case. Historically Alabama and Tennessee dominated the conference and both clearly were elite through multiple decades and multiple coaches. Alabama wandered the desert with bad coaches but came up with a MNC often enough to never lose the top. Vols are quickly reaching a point where they will return to power or they will lose enough to maybe fall forever.

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Maybe this is why you should pay some of these kids some money because it has nothing to do with the school. its about a factory

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You are paying this with an education that should last well beyond their playing days. Problem is kids being kids do not utilize this because the system needs to be fixed.

#1 A scholarship is indivisible do not lose focus on this

When it come to paying kids cash, the problem is cash is divisible and can be easily dissipated by girlfriends, groupies, agents, lawyers, and a whole host of remora who live on the apex predator actually creating the wealth in the first place.


#2 Pay the kids in other indivisible ways

a) Guaranteed scholastic opportunity - if a kid accepts a schools it is for a full ride to a real degree. No 1 year deals and no fake classes.

b) Classes geared - and mandatory before allowing a player to go pro - that assist the transfer of child to adult. At minimum they take a money management class to prepare them to make fewer poor wealth dissipation choices

c) Health care coverage - if a kid plays they have insurance to cover if they are injured before they go pro. Payton Manning stayed and played because he had such a policy in place. NCAA could easily establish this with a group policy for all athletes.

d) Reasonable pay for administrators and physical plant. Part of the problem with the PAC is exorbitant pay and facilities for the folks in the administrative side. Same with the NCAA as too much of the income goes to too few people. This is a recipe for long term disaster.

e) Post graduate trust fund to pay over life. This could easily be done just using a small percentage of the media money out there. Basically, kids don';t get paid while they play but the do get a stipend for life that sets a floor. If the player has substance issues or other behaviors issues this can be cancelled or limited and it can not be divided so some remora can latch on to the food chain.

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ND the uga of Independents.


You’re aware Auburn also has 1 NC in the last 40 years, right?

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I consider all selectors prior to the BCS/CFP so I accept Auburn as 3 in that time frame. The beauty of the poll days...you can do whatever you want.

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I consider all selectors prior to the BCS/CFP so I accept Auburn as 3 in that time frame. The beauty of the poll days...you can do whatever you want.

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Crap, you can accept 20 if you want to. your own school only recognizes 2 in their history and one was in 1957 or something like that. You went 53 years in between titles, yet you think it is a big deal that Georiga hasn't won one in 37 years.

Auburn is a strange fan base.

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By the way....if you are going to count all selectors then Georgia would still have more, so you might want to reconsider.