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re: If head-to-head doesn't matter, what's the point of a playoff?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:36 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:36 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Y'all mad
I am mad, but not about OM being ranked higher. The powers that be took a perfectly fine ranking system and rather than just expand the teams they went and completely fricked it up.
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:37 pm to TX Tiger
I can't believe I am agreeing with LSU fans, but this playoff committee is a joke. Would rather they just use AP pole or old BCS ranking to pick top 4 teams.
WTF is the reasoning behind using such a small group to select the teams? When you see a financial specialist does he recommend not diversifying?
This playoff committee has a whole "1984" feel to it. I didn't read the book but wrote a book report on it in high school and this feels similar (i.e., the fricking committee is putting as much work into this as I did that book report).
WTF is the reasoning behind using such a small group to select the teams? When you see a financial specialist does he recommend not diversifying?
This playoff committee has a whole "1984" feel to it. I didn't read the book but wrote a book report on it in high school and this feels similar (i.e., the fricking committee is putting as much work into this as I did that book report).
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:37 pm to RB10
There's no perfect way to do this. Someone will have a problem no matter how it's done.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:39 pm to AUCE05
quote:The method in which the top 4 teams are chosen matters a great deal. Are you saying that the committee is using different criteria to choose the top 4 teams than for the rest of the top 25 poll?
Say you are ranked above Ole Miss; you are still not in the playoff. What does it matter?
If so, please share your inside information. tia
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:40 pm to Smoke7024
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There's no perfect way to do this. Someone will have a problem no matter how it's done.
No doubt, but the problem people had with the BCS was mostly only selecting 2 teams for the championship. I bet the vast majority of people would have been just fine with using that same system and just expanding the selected teams to 4.
ETA: Let me give you an example. Bama blows LSU out 41-0. AU loses a close one to UGA. AU then beats Bama in OT.
The committee comes out with their final rankings and has Bama ranked 4 and AU ranked 5. They are well within their rights to do so despite the teams having the same number or losses and AU winning the head to head. They wouldn't have to give reasons why they voted that way, but they use the "Bama had 2 close losses while AU got blown out by MSU" argument and say Bama passed the "eye-test" while AU did not.
This is a hypothetical, but with the way the committee is set up right now it could absolutely happen.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:42 pm to Garfield
I think the BCS system with 4 teams would have been better. I will probably disagree with one of their selections, but the way I see it if you don't go undefeated you lose the right to complain. I'm sure they will get some of it wrong, don't think there is anything sinister going on.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:43 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, until they give me a reason to think they're screwing someone over.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:45 pm to TMRebel
quote:Make up your mind.
Beat Bama and it most likely won't matter.
You sound like the playoff committee. Does head-to-head matter or not? If it doesn't, then what's the point of holding a head-to-head playoffs?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:47 pm to MetryTyger
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Head to head apparently didn't matter in November of 2011 in Tuscaloosa.
The 2011 season. The gift that keeps on giving.
And yes it did matter.
Unfortunately for LSU, the head to head of OSU and Iowa State mattered also.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:47 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:It's already proven to be a joke. But I figured that going in, so I'm not in the least surprised.
how will their openly bad-faith conduct affect the legitimacy of the playoff system?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:48 pm to Nuts4LSU
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If this is an indication of how the committee will act going forward, then how will their openly bad-faith conduct affect the legitimacy of the playoff system?
Bleah. The Auburn beatdown ruined LSU's chances. Win out and you may have a chance at top 4, but you have to also count on several 1-loss teams losing - especially Auburn. And it wouldn't hurt your case for Ole Miss to win the Egg Bowl. Otherwise I don't see where you have anything to bitch about.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:50 pm to TX Tiger
I have no idea why you're getting so upset about Ole Miss being ahead of LSU. Ole Miss has atleast been somewhat consistent even though you beat them. Who knows what LSU really is? You got smashed by MSU (even though LSU came back at the end) and Auburn. Show some consistency and I'm sure LSU will move it's way up.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:52 pm to finestfirst79
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Bleah. The Auburn beatdown ruined LSU's chances. Win out and you may have a chance at top 4, but you have to also count on several 1-loss teams losing - especially Auburn. And it wouldn't hurt your case for Ole Miss to win the Egg Bowl. Otherwise I don't see where you have anything to bitch about.
What if, and it's a huge if, everything falls just right and LSU wins the West, and then the SEC. The committee could use then leave the SEC champ out of the playoffs because of two bad early season losses, even though 1 or 2 of the teams that get in wouldn't have near the quality wins that LSU would at that point.
Like I keep saying, until a clear set of criteria is put in place the committee will be under a ton of scrutiny for who they pick and who they leave out.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:53 pm to Smoke7024
Yea I mean at this point in time, they have the top 4 correct. At the end of the season that's all that matters. Not sure why LSU fans are so mad ole miss being ranked ahead just because they beat them. LSU was unranked at one point in the season after the 41-7 assraping. Ole Miss was ranked 3rd but had the quality win against Bama. If LSU wins this weekend then they will move into the top 10 likely being the top 2 loss team. So I don't see the issue.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:02 pm to RB10
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I am mad, but not about OM being ranked higher. The powers that be took a perfectly fine ranking system and rather than just expand the teams they went and completely fricked it up.
Please tell these guidelines and metrics that were apparently so well used by the BCS system. And while you're at it, tell us how a system composed of the same type of biased and conference-associated voters was different.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:03 pm to RB10
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What if, and it's a huge if, everything falls just right and LSU wins the West, and then the SEC.
You need a 5-way tie at 10-2 for that happen, plus some help from Boom. Could happen. If it does, I'd fully expect LSU to stomp Mizzou/Georgia/Florida whoever. The next part is where it gets messy. Say FSU goes undefeated, Oregon, Big12 champ, ND, B1G champ all have one loss. Yeah, I think LSU might get left out because of that Auburn beatdown and because you have 2 losses, where nobody mentioned above does. You might beat out OSU if they win the B1G because of their ugly loss to VT, but there's still 4 0- or 1-loss teams left ahead of you. Sucks, because I think LSU would beat any of those teams. But I wouldn't cry too much over it after that Auburn loss. Gotta get it done throughout the year.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:05 pm to East Coast Band
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Since a number of you cannot grasp the concept well, let us look together at a case study not too long ago.
I've seen some bad analogies on this board, but yours might be the worst.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:07 pm to TX Tiger
I never supported a playoff in CFB. It's turning into college basketball. 
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:10 pm to Sigma
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Please tell these guidelines and metrics that were apparently so well used by the BCS system. And while you're at it, tell us how a system composed of the same type of biased and conference-associated voters was different.
If you seriously believe that this committee is a better system than the BCS then I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with you.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:15 pm to RB10
You act like the BCS was so clear, when in fact it's just that you were used to it.
You just sound upset that OM is still in front of LSU, honestly.
You just sound upset that OM is still in front of LSU, honestly.
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