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re: I think Johnny Football gets tamed next year and there after
Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:52 am to TriumphTiger
Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:52 am to TriumphTiger
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LSU fans would be fapping all over themselves if they had him. I don't blame the Aggies.
No, because if we had him, he would have 10 touchdowns and 15 interceptions and less than 2,000 yards.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:53 am to CavalryAg07
Yep scared little bitches...
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:54 am to CavalryAg07
If LSU plays that same defense, get ready for a big back to run it right at you next year. It's the missing piece to that offense.
It should be another good game next year.
It should be another good game next year.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:56 am to ApexTiger
He is an excellent young qb with considerable natural talent. Short, of injury, he will do as well as the talent around him allows.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:18 am to ApexTiger
Saban said there is no way to mimic a player like JFF in practice. How do you prepare against improvisation?
LSU has a great defense. Even so, A&M had over 400 yards of offense vs LSU while LSU had 310. A&M had 5 turnovers and 2 missed field goals in the game.
Manziel said the only game he has regrets about this past season was LSU because of his decision making.
Manziel will be just as hard to stop next year. Yes, other teams can put a spy on him and play contain. The question is what does the defense give up to do these things? You can't spy and also drop back into coverage. You can't play contain on the rush and not go after the QB without him having extra time to throw.
Most of the predictions on the rant:
A&M will be lucky to win 2 games in the SEC
Spread offenses don't work in the SEC
JFF will never make it through a season in the SEC scrambling.
blah blah blah...
Listen, JFF will probably not have numbers like this season again. I hope he doesn't. If Ags improve he won't need them. Next year will be our second year in this offense so look for improvement in both execution AND ability to counter defensive adjustments during the game.
LSU has a great defense. Even so, A&M had over 400 yards of offense vs LSU while LSU had 310. A&M had 5 turnovers and 2 missed field goals in the game.
Manziel said the only game he has regrets about this past season was LSU because of his decision making.
Manziel will be just as hard to stop next year. Yes, other teams can put a spy on him and play contain. The question is what does the defense give up to do these things? You can't spy and also drop back into coverage. You can't play contain on the rush and not go after the QB without him having extra time to throw.
Most of the predictions on the rant:
A&M will be lucky to win 2 games in the SEC
Spread offenses don't work in the SEC
JFF will never make it through a season in the SEC scrambling.
blah blah blah...
Listen, JFF will probably not have numbers like this season again. I hope he doesn't. If Ags improve he won't need them. Next year will be our second year in this offense so look for improvement in both execution AND ability to counter defensive adjustments during the game.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:18 am to Broken Coyote
Yes, coaches will figure out how to stop the 2012 Texas A&M offense.
Unfortunately, the 2013 offense will be a mutated version of the 2012 offense with weapons that we didn't have this year.
RB: We lose Christine Michael, but gain Brandon Williams (6'1 210), Tra Carson (6'2 245), and James White (6'0 200)
WR: We lose Uzoma Nwachukwu (6'0 195), Kenric McNeal (6'1 185), and Ryan Swope (6'0 205), but gain Quincy Adebojeyo (6'3 190), Laquivonte Gonzalez (5'10 160 4.2 speed), Jeremy Tabuyo (5'11, 185 4.3 speed), possibly Derrick Griffin (6'6 225) and Ricky Seals-Jones (6'4 225). We also return Mike Evans, who is only a freshman, and Malcome Kennedy, who is only a sophomore. Thomas Johnson will likely not return.
OL: At worst, one of the tackles is gone (Joeckel). You don't pass up the opportunity to play with your brother when your dad is an NFL Hall of Famer (Matthews). Matthews' backup is a 4-star tackle (Joe Cheek 6'7 300) OR we move Cedric Ogbuehi to tackle and put Harrison's backup (SR Shep Klinke 6'7 300 4-star Guard) at RG.
DL: All indications are that Damontre Moore stays. We lose Spencer Nealy, but gain Isaiah Golden, Kerrick Huggins, Rob Zimmerman, Hardreck Walker, and possibly Justin Manning to replace him.
LB: Hard to replace Porter and Stewart, but we have SIX talented linebackers coming in and still return Steven Jenkins.
DB: The only DB of significance we lose is Terrell. Again, 4 talented DBs coming in to replace them.
P: Epperson's productivity will be missed, but Kaser has the better leg and was actually able to RS this year. Still don't know why Sherman burned his RS last season for one play.
Unfortunately, the 2013 offense will be a mutated version of the 2012 offense with weapons that we didn't have this year.
RB: We lose Christine Michael, but gain Brandon Williams (6'1 210), Tra Carson (6'2 245), and James White (6'0 200)
WR: We lose Uzoma Nwachukwu (6'0 195), Kenric McNeal (6'1 185), and Ryan Swope (6'0 205), but gain Quincy Adebojeyo (6'3 190), Laquivonte Gonzalez (5'10 160 4.2 speed), Jeremy Tabuyo (5'11, 185 4.3 speed), possibly Derrick Griffin (6'6 225) and Ricky Seals-Jones (6'4 225). We also return Mike Evans, who is only a freshman, and Malcome Kennedy, who is only a sophomore. Thomas Johnson will likely not return.
OL: At worst, one of the tackles is gone (Joeckel). You don't pass up the opportunity to play with your brother when your dad is an NFL Hall of Famer (Matthews). Matthews' backup is a 4-star tackle (Joe Cheek 6'7 300) OR we move Cedric Ogbuehi to tackle and put Harrison's backup (SR Shep Klinke 6'7 300 4-star Guard) at RG.
DL: All indications are that Damontre Moore stays. We lose Spencer Nealy, but gain Isaiah Golden, Kerrick Huggins, Rob Zimmerman, Hardreck Walker, and possibly Justin Manning to replace him.
LB: Hard to replace Porter and Stewart, but we have SIX talented linebackers coming in and still return Steven Jenkins.
DB: The only DB of significance we lose is Terrell. Again, 4 talented DBs coming in to replace them.
P: Epperson's productivity will be missed, but Kaser has the better leg and was actually able to RS this year. Still don't know why Sherman burned his RS last season for one play.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:22 am to ApexTiger
quote:I agree. SEC teams know what to expect now, and will adjust for it.
I think Johnny Football gets tamed next year and there after
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:24 am to ApexTiger
Wait, JFF made it through the season? But, but I thought each game was "he isn't going to make it through the game v <insert LSU, Bama, etc>."
Odd. So what you're saying is SEC coaches are really dumb and take over a year to figure out how to play a guy? Because there's plenty of film on him...
They already know how to play him. The problem is that with a player like him it's a pick your poison kind of deal. I think he has a similar year next year if he plays the entire season.
Odd. So what you're saying is SEC coaches are really dumb and take over a year to figure out how to play a guy? Because there's plenty of film on him...
They already know how to play him. The problem is that with a player like him it's a pick your poison kind of deal. I think he has a similar year next year if he plays the entire season.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:29 am to Penrod
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BTW, that he is treated like a god is a large contributing factor to why he'll underperform next year. They have a very easy schedule next year with only two good teams, LSU and Bama. They will lose those two and probably drop another one.
Same song, different verse.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:30 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:32 am to Greg09Ag
nm. long post above answers question.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Nice post.
Kirk Bohls said in AAS yesterday that if Moore, Joekel, and Mathews return he thinks A&M will be preseason #1 next year.
I figured Mathews might stay but I am doubtful on Moore, that would be a nice surprise. Sumlin can certainly pitch them on staying for an awesome year.
Kirk Bohls said in AAS yesterday that if Moore, Joekel, and Mathews return he thinks A&M will be preseason #1 next year.
I figured Mathews might stay but I am doubtful on Moore, that would be a nice surprise. Sumlin can certainly pitch them on staying for an awesome year.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:34 am to Tridentds
Moore is actually the one who I feel is most likely to return, followed by Matthews. Joekel has a younger brother on the squad as well, so who knows, he might stay.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:48 am to Macintosh
A lot of butthurt/scared bitches on this thread but this one is just too funny:
LSU-Honey Badger
UF-Tebow
AU-Bo Jackson
UGA-Herschel
Ole Miss-Archie Manning
UT-Peyton Manning
All were treated as gods while in school. At Bama it really has mainly been coaches that get the god treatment.
As to the OP, there is no question that the SEC will make adjustments to JFF but Manziel is getting better and better at the same time. In the last 5 games the only one he even finished was Bama. Over those 5 games over 80% of his drives ended in a TD (60%) a FGA or a Victory formation to end a half/game and that includes Bama.
If you really understand the A&M offense it comes down to QB decision making. Every play is called at the LOS based on the defensive formation. The offense is simple but its all about execution. On every play the defense is forced to leave at least one receiver open or to be vulnerable to the run, the only question is if Manziel sees it. Much of this year he wasn't good enough to do that but he was so good at improvisation he could overcome it. If you watch his later games he truly was taking it to a new level. For example against Mizzou on Saturday on all 3 of his TD passes he scrambled back and forth behind the LOS for over 5 seconds because he recognized that the defense was staying back in their lanes and daring him to run. Against UF and LSU he was running on those plays but not now. Now he just stays in space and jukes big lineman to buy the time for his receivers and doesn't run unless it is a clear path or he has no option. No defense can hold up consistently giving a QB 7 seconds in the pocket. Of course the other key is A&M has an excellent OL and excellent position talent to complement Manziel as well.
Another significant change in the last few games was Manziel was just starting to run the Read Option. Once he masters that I don't know how you defend it with all the other things he can do. Hell, Texas won a NC with VY running the Read Option about 75% of the time.
Of course the key for Manziel is his improvisation and the fact he can't be duplicated in practice. There literally is no one out there that is as elusive as he is with the ability to throw as accurately as he can. It's easy to see why Manziel would also start on the A&M baseball team as a SS if they would let him. More than that though, he just takes a mental toll on defenders. It is incredibly frustrating when you do everything right on defense and still get burned and Manziel does that over and over.
With all that, injuries can happen. Maybe Manziel blows an ACL or breaks an ankle. More than that though, A&M's vulnerability is still on defense. The talent coming in is as impressive as A&M has gotten on D since the days of the real Wrecking Crew in the '80s and '90s but it is young and it is replacing a lot of Sr Leaders. For A&M they just need a year or two for Manziel to carry them until that depth of talent is up to speed. Once that happens A&M will be a permanent fixture in the Big 6 because with the new facilities and stadium A&M is going to dominate Texas recruiting. Book it.
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I find it to be ridiculous that he us treated like a god at A&M. It is quite pathetic
LSU-Honey Badger
UF-Tebow
AU-Bo Jackson
UGA-Herschel
Ole Miss-Archie Manning
UT-Peyton Manning
All were treated as gods while in school. At Bama it really has mainly been coaches that get the god treatment.
As to the OP, there is no question that the SEC will make adjustments to JFF but Manziel is getting better and better at the same time. In the last 5 games the only one he even finished was Bama. Over those 5 games over 80% of his drives ended in a TD (60%) a FGA or a Victory formation to end a half/game and that includes Bama.
If you really understand the A&M offense it comes down to QB decision making. Every play is called at the LOS based on the defensive formation. The offense is simple but its all about execution. On every play the defense is forced to leave at least one receiver open or to be vulnerable to the run, the only question is if Manziel sees it. Much of this year he wasn't good enough to do that but he was so good at improvisation he could overcome it. If you watch his later games he truly was taking it to a new level. For example against Mizzou on Saturday on all 3 of his TD passes he scrambled back and forth behind the LOS for over 5 seconds because he recognized that the defense was staying back in their lanes and daring him to run. Against UF and LSU he was running on those plays but not now. Now he just stays in space and jukes big lineman to buy the time for his receivers and doesn't run unless it is a clear path or he has no option. No defense can hold up consistently giving a QB 7 seconds in the pocket. Of course the other key is A&M has an excellent OL and excellent position talent to complement Manziel as well.
Another significant change in the last few games was Manziel was just starting to run the Read Option. Once he masters that I don't know how you defend it with all the other things he can do. Hell, Texas won a NC with VY running the Read Option about 75% of the time.
Of course the key for Manziel is his improvisation and the fact he can't be duplicated in practice. There literally is no one out there that is as elusive as he is with the ability to throw as accurately as he can. It's easy to see why Manziel would also start on the A&M baseball team as a SS if they would let him. More than that though, he just takes a mental toll on defenders. It is incredibly frustrating when you do everything right on defense and still get burned and Manziel does that over and over.
With all that, injuries can happen. Maybe Manziel blows an ACL or breaks an ankle. More than that though, A&M's vulnerability is still on defense. The talent coming in is as impressive as A&M has gotten on D since the days of the real Wrecking Crew in the '80s and '90s but it is young and it is replacing a lot of Sr Leaders. For A&M they just need a year or two for Manziel to carry them until that depth of talent is up to speed. Once that happens A&M will be a permanent fixture in the Big 6 because with the new facilities and stadium A&M is going to dominate Texas recruiting. Book it.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:50 am to ApexTiger
Said the same thing about Tebow in college too, right?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:02 am to RGJ18
We knew how good JF was before he came to T-town. We did finally figure out what he was doing, hence the 24-9 score qtrs 2-4. But until somebody stops him for a whole game its all BS and wishful thinking.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:09 am to RGJ18
A&M fans you can now stop with the disrespected card. Most rational people thought A&M was a consensus 8 win team. The idea was nobody knew anything about Manziel, new offense and the idea that Arkansas would be good and Auburn would be much improved.
Now, regarding the offense, I don't think it can be stopped as long as JFF is there. He is too good at improvising as others have said. You can't scheme against that. I do, however, think that teams with speed on the D-line, like LSU and Florida, can contain him enough to slow him down, as they did this year. You force him to do one thing well - passing - as opposed to two things well - running and passing.
Now, if A&M develops a dominant interior running game I don't think they can be stopped. Like others have said, if A&M went to an interior running game against LSU and continued to feed it, LSU probably doesn't win that game. They relied a little too much on JFF to make plays there, when they should have countered what LSU was doing by running the ball.
My question is only looking into the future, will A&M continue to be able to recruit those big, NFL type linemen, which is something teams like Oregon have been unable to do.
Now, regarding the offense, I don't think it can be stopped as long as JFF is there. He is too good at improvising as others have said. You can't scheme against that. I do, however, think that teams with speed on the D-line, like LSU and Florida, can contain him enough to slow him down, as they did this year. You force him to do one thing well - passing - as opposed to two things well - running and passing.
Now, if A&M develops a dominant interior running game I don't think they can be stopped. Like others have said, if A&M went to an interior running game against LSU and continued to feed it, LSU probably doesn't win that game. They relied a little too much on JFF to make plays there, when they should have countered what LSU was doing by running the ball.
My question is only looking into the future, will A&M continue to be able to recruit those big, NFL type linemen, which is something teams like Oregon have been unable to do.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:10 am to bama1959
See, I think y'all (LSU and Florida too) didn't "figure out" JFF, you just figured out the spread offense that we were running. You won't see the same offense next year, but I don't see how you can "figure out" raw playmaking talent. JFF will make plays no matter what scheme we're running.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:11 am to Mohican
As long as LSU has that defensive speed that A&M is lacking, I think they'll be our 1 loss every year.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:13 am to bama1959
While Bama certainly did make adjustments to slow Manziel down the most important adjustment was the Bama offense getting on track and keeping the ball away from Manziel. He still drove the ball effectively in the 4th quarter to score the decisive TD and for 2 FGA's. Against LSU and UF it was also key that their offenses got on track and allowed their defenses to rest and limited Manziel's opportunities. Also of course Manziel's decision making was poor later in both of those games. Against UF he simply was afraid to throw the ball deep in his first game. Against LSU he made multiple poor decisions with the ball that cost opportunities to score and also led to TO's. That decision making can be corrected though and you could see the improvement by the time he played Bama.
A&M's weaknesses are defensive backs and defensive depth. If you can run an efficient passing game you can move the ball and as the game wears on it is easier to move the ball as well because A&M simply isn't able to rotate in enough defenders yet.
A&M's weaknesses are defensive backs and defensive depth. If you can run an efficient passing game you can move the ball and as the game wears on it is easier to move the ball as well because A&M simply isn't able to rotate in enough defenders yet.
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