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re: I don't think recruiting pickups will help A&M's defense

Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:52 pm to
Posted by slacker130
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:52 pm to
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Without Manziel, we are not a good football team THIS year. But we do have Manziel this year and we are a good football team because of it.

If we are projecting in the future, our better(I believe) and more complete roster will make us more than a one man show like we are now.


Agree.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1735 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:54 pm to
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I'm not saying every D A&M fields would be a dumpster fire; just not elite.

It is an attitude. Physicality is built in the trenches and in the huddle. The O says..."let's bullldoze these motherfrickers".... the D waits, they stare and salivate... tension builds and they go at each other with balls. It not about running many plays it is about imposing your will on the opponent.

The up tempo philosophy eliminates that.... it is more like "hurry up before they line up, let's catch 'em up of guard". There is nothing wrong with what A&M does is just not conducive to that type of defensive play.


Translation: "I'm wrong so I'm gonna make up some bullshite reasoning like a player's mentality and not physical ability is the determining factor in how points get scored."

Look dude, I reject your premise, if I put the 85 bears defense on this A&M team, they would murder every SEC team and be glad doing it. Your argument is borderline retarded.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44008 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:54 pm to
You're wrong.
I'm not going to start listing our offensive players who would start anywhere--it's clearly pointless. But let's just say more than a handful of em will be among the first players drafted by the NFL.
Posted by burbank
Member since Oct 2010
596 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:56 pm to
r2d2...anyone who has lined up agst A&M's OL would argue that they are NOT physical. THe Offense only works if you win the battles up front also.

Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
7989 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:57 pm to
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You're wrong.


You're wrong if you don't think Manziel is your offense right now and you'd be fairly pedestrian without him. I don't have time to break out his stats-clearly pointless.

ETA- yes, you have some receivers/O line that will be drafted.
This post was edited on 10/18/13 at 5:00 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44008 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:59 pm to
You don't have to break out his stats for me. They're freakish. I never said otherwise.
I said that our offensive unit is outstanding.
It is.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1735 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:00 pm to
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You're wrong if you don't think Manziel is your offense right now and you'd be fairly pedestrian without him. I don't have time to break out his stats-clearly pointless.

ETA- yes, you have some receivers/O line that will be drafted.


I say this tongue in cheek, but Matt Joekel scored 28 points in the first half against Rice and Manziel only scored 24 in the second half.
Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
6842 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:00 pm to
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if I put the 85 bears defense on this A&M team, they would murder every SEC team and be glad doing it. Your argument is borderline retarded.


Was the 85 Defense built defending a spread in practice? You are retarded.

I said A&M would not be anything special on Defense as long as they have their current priorities. On the other hand I think even without JFF they should always be pretty good on O and would move the ball and score well most years and games.
Posted by burbank
Member since Oct 2010
596 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:01 pm to
"Without Manziel what's your record this year? He's your entire offense right now."

uh..NOT even close, he makes it go unlike any other, but we've got 5 future NFL OL, as well as several NFL caliber talents at WR & RB.

OF COURSE if you take one of the most dynamic talents at QB in the last 20 years off our team, we wouldn't be as good...DUH!!


Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
6842 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:02 pm to
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r2d2...anyone who has lined up agst A&M's OL would argue that they are NOT physical. THe Offense only works if you win the battles up front also.


They are good no doubt. I never said they are not. A&M will always be good to elite on O with their current staff and priorities.
Posted by MMB5DAP
Member since Jul 2013
1735 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:03 pm to
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if I put the 85 bears defense on this A&M team, they would murder every SEC team and be glad doing it. Your argument is borderline retarded.



Was the 85 Defense built defending a spread in practice? You are retarded.



Posted by burbank
Member since Oct 2010
596 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:05 pm to
Was the 85 Defense built defending a spread in practice? You are retarded.

r2d2..You've never SEEN an A&M practice have you?

You have no idea the different periods, best on best, 11/11 drills they do.

Whwn we have the EXPERIENCED talent, we will be good...we were top 1/2 SEC last year, but those guys are gone.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21862 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:24 pm to
I would argue that you haven't really seen A&M's offense yet - it is the "one man" show. But A&M has a LOT of talent on offense that isn't being utilized, as we saw against Arkansas in the downpour. Our RB's are elite talent, especially Trey Williams. The offensive line is even better this year, after all the doom and gloom predictions last year.

The WR's are incredibly talented, to the point the upperclassmen had to step up their game to keep their positions. Our offense is going to be good for quite a while, especially the way that Sumlin recruits.

Now, what happens when we can actually field a decent SEC defense as well? In two years time you will see a drastically different, and much deeper A&M team than today. Remember, as awesome as Peyton is, Tennessee didn't win it all until he left. It takes a team, not one guy.

If Manziel would come back next year, you could just pencil us in for the MNC game. But that isn't going to happen
Posted by Ddwolpert
Member since Feb 2013
6 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:27 pm to
duuuuuuuuuuuuude
Epic fail
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80018 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:45 pm to
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It 's an opinion, but an informed one. Tell me one pure spread team (either the Oregon zone read kind or the Mike leach pass happy type) that has at the same time fielded a true elite D like LSU, Bama, usc an the likes have fielded at one point or another the las 10 or so years. Just one name, I can't think of a single one. Oregon has been good on D at times... But elite not even close.


Oklahoma in 2000 (Mike Leach was their O/C in 1999)

Florida in 2008
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80018 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:47 pm to
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No one scored 28 on Bama last year I think.


A&M scored 29.
Posted by r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
6842 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 5:48 pm to
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r2d2..You've never SEEN an A&M practice have you?

You have no idea the different periods, best on best, 11/11 drills they do.


No I haven't, but practice time is limited for every team. Teams choose their priorities. A&M's O looks very well polished running their no huddle system. I'm sure they practice it a ton.

When teams try to do too much usually results aren't good. LSU with Crowton tried to do too mucho they did a little pistol, zone read, power, option.. but didn’t do anything particularly well.

We'll see, it goes in cycles. Right now the Os seem to have the upper hand but it changes.
Posted by popeyeaux
Texas
Member since Aug 2008
696 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 6:36 pm to
Posted by skrangeo
DFW
Member since Sep 2011
553 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 7:48 pm to
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But A&M has a LOT of talent on offense that isn't being utilized, as we saw against Arkansas in the downpour. Our RB's are elite talent, especially Trey Williams. The offensive line is even better this year, after all the doom and gloom predictions last year.



shhhhh. it's a one man show...sshhhhhh
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29178 posts
Posted on 10/18/13 at 7:56 pm to
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I said A&M would not be anything special on Defense as long as they have their current priorities.


You lack intelligence.
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