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re: Hypothetical Question about Alabama and the Tuscaloosa PD

Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by Mobtro
Daphne, AL
Member since Aug 2012
2598 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:13 pm to
The majority of TPD hates UA athletics.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72183 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:14 pm to
I think they hate the university in general. And that was the case 11 years ago when I was still there. But I'm sure that's the case of any PD in a college town.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:17 pm to
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I think they hate the university in general.


its probably the self entitled kids running around(not just bama, but all schools).

They do like the overtime though
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64571 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:22 pm to
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Having a parking ticket escalated to weed bust is the cop LOOKING for a reason to bust the kid. It's different.

So if a cop sees weed in a car he's just supposed to let it slide? It escalated from a parking ticket to a weed citation because of the own player's stupidity. It's not unusual for a traffic stop to escalate into something bigger because of other things that are discovered in the process. Stop acting like your player is a victim.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64571 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:23 pm to
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Hand's first hearing was supposed to be in September.

I can't find any google results to an article to say what happened.

if you're that curious, call the clerk's office and ask for a copy of his file. It's public record.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63951 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:26 pm to
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if you're that curious, call the clerk's office and ask for a copy of his file. It's public record.


They normally make you do that in person. It's about a 4 hour drive for me.

Figured someone in the Tuscaloosa media would have published a story about it. I guess the media there is implicit as well. really good at keeping stuff quiet, unlike the Athens media that has people paid off at all the bail bonds places, which is why Weiczer always has the 3 am scoop on the arrests for the Athens Banner Herald.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64571 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:28 pm to
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They normally make you do that in person. It's about a 4 hour drive for me.

No they don't. I have to request records like this all the time. They're not free, but you can always get them if you need them. Many clerk's offices will e-mail them to you.
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Figured someone in the Tuscaloosa media would have published a story about it. I guess the media there is implicit as well. really good at keeping stuff quiet,

I don't know why you're trying to turn a misdemeanor DUI offense into a conspiracy. DUIs are negotiated down all the time. And prelims are reset all the time.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63951 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:35 pm to
DUI's are never negotiated down in Georgia. You can get your punishments negotiated down. The charge sticks, unless the cop screwed something up.

I guess this is an Alabama thing? Or you say you are in Tennessee, is this a Tenn thing?

Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:38 pm to
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DUI's are never negotiated down in Georgia
yes they are, quit making shite up
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63951 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:40 pm to
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They're not free, but you can always get them if you need them. Many clerk's offices will e-mail them to you.



So I'll just call up and say "Here's my credit card number. I need Deshawn Hand's court records sent to my email address at xxx@sss.com."

No, they'll ask me for case number, docket number blah blah shite I have no idea.

I'm not a fool, bro. I am not an attorney but I've dealt with enough municipalities to get public title and real estate records to know you can't just call up Cindy at the courthouse and have her email me Deshawn's court transcripts.

At least not in Georgia. Everything is a big fricking hassle here.
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:40 pm to
Yes they are definately negotiated down in GA just like everywhere else
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64571 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:40 pm to
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DUI's are never negotiated down in Georgia. You can get your punishments negotiated down. The charge sticks, unless the cop screwed something up.

I guess this is an Alabama thing? Or you say you are in Tennessee, is this a Tenn thing?

Yes, I practice in TN, but I also interned at the DA's office in Dekalb County, GA in law school. And they are absolutely negotiated down in many cases. Not in every case obviously but it certainly happens. Here in TN it depends on which county you are in, the BAC of the defendant, and other exigent circumstances with how easy/difficult it is to have a DUI reduced to a reckless.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63951 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:41 pm to
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yes they are, quit making shite up


I've never had a dui but I know many people who have, in GA, and the only one I know that was actually negotiated down was a teenager that got one, they were willing to neg it down so as to "not ruin her life" with it being on permanent record.

Every adult I know that's had one, hired lawyers, first offenses with no criminal background, every single one of them ended up with a full fledged DUI on their record.

In Georgia.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64571 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:42 pm to
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So I'll just call up and say "Here's my credit card number. I need Deshawn Hand's court records sent to my email address at xxx@sss.com."

No, they'll ask me for case number, docket number blah blah shite I have no idea.

No, they'll ask you the defendant's name and birthday. If they have to mail them and require a fee, you can pay over the phone or send them a check/money order. Some clerks are nice enough to e-mail them to you immediately and don't even require a fee. It varies county to county.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:43 pm to
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Every adult I know that's had one, hired lawyers, first offenses with no criminal background, every single one of them ended up with a full fledged DUI on their record.

In Georgia.


Then they had shitty lawyers, because they are routinely negotiated down, especially the first one
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:44 pm to
The lesson from this, as it always fricking is, is that you can do dumb shite and you can do illegal shite just don't do both at the same time.
Posted by Boknows1987
Your mother's house
Member since Jan 2013
7 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:45 pm to
The players all go on ride alongs with the local PD. They take photos with them and it helps make problems go away.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64571 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:45 pm to
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I've never had a dui but I know many people who have, in GA, and the only one I know that was actually negotiated down was a teenager that got one, they were willing to neg it down so as to "not ruin her life" with it being on permanent record.

Every adult I know that's had one, hired lawyers, first offenses with no criminal background, every single one of them ended up with a full fledged DUI on their record.

without knowing the facts of their case, i can't tell you why they weren't able to. For instance, in a lot of counties around where I practice there is an unstated "grey area" for BAC that you can negotiate down to a reckless on a first offense DUI if they have a BAC at .12 or lower. The highest I've been able to negotiate down was a .16. However, in one county in my area, they don't negotiate anything down but they also don't hammer you on your sentence and will still give you the minimums if you take it to trial. This county (Williamson) doesn't negotiate on much of anything, not just DUIs. The typical response from their DAs are "this isn't Nashville." Like i said it all depends on what county you're in and other factors in your case. If your buddies had a high BAC, then no they probably weren't able to get it down to a reckless.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:52 pm to
My POS sister in law has had 3 plead down to reckless, although the third was pot, but she was also involved in a hit and run. The first two were .18 and .21 BAC's
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63951 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:54 pm to
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My POS sister in law has had 3 plead down to reckless, although the third was pot, but she was also involved in a hit and run. The first two were .18 and .21 BAC's


Where? And who was the lawyer? Does she have high up connections?
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