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re: How bad are Mizzou fans going to melt when Odom
Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:42 pm to midnight special
Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:42 pm to midnight special
T or F, Head coaches are responsible for their coordinators
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Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:45 pm to Trumansfangs
They didn't.
The average Mizzou fan did not understand 2015.
They didn't understand how bad the culture of their football program was, aside from the racial upheaval, which is a massive bag of issues.
They didn't understand the true nature of their recruiting issues, despite getting decently ranked classes. Many of these players that contributed to the ranking never made it to campus or left quickly.
When your starting QB is doing coke on game days and most of the campus knows about it, your program has deep rooted problems.
Barry wasn't the mob choice and therefore the mob never embraced him.
There was never the moment of something 'shiny and new', and after such a long Pinkel tenure the fanbase craved it and they finally got that 'new' feeling with Drink.
A literal book could be written on how uninformed and poorly aware the Mizzou fan base was at the time of the Pinkel-Barry transition.
I will be sure to add more as I contribute here.
The average Mizzou fan did not understand 2015.
They didn't understand how bad the culture of their football program was, aside from the racial upheaval, which is a massive bag of issues.
They didn't understand the true nature of their recruiting issues, despite getting decently ranked classes. Many of these players that contributed to the ranking never made it to campus or left quickly.
When your starting QB is doing coke on game days and most of the campus knows about it, your program has deep rooted problems.
Barry wasn't the mob choice and therefore the mob never embraced him.
There was never the moment of something 'shiny and new', and after such a long Pinkel tenure the fanbase craved it and they finally got that 'new' feeling with Drink.
A literal book could be written on how uninformed and poorly aware the Mizzou fan base was at the time of the Pinkel-Barry transition.
I will be sure to add more as I contribute here.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:46 pm to Clark14
Odom has as many wins vs Florida as the whole Hog football program
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We’ll see
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We’ll see
Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:49 pm to mizslu314
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T or F, Head coaches are responsible for their coordinators
He had multiple OC's produce incredible offenses. The narrative that he couldn't create an offense is absurd.
He won a national recruiting battle that was much needed for the cultural perception of Mizzou football, too bad that player was not good on the field.
The QB he identified and recruited to lead his program is looking pretty darn good.
The defense was trending very much in a good direction by the end of his time at Mizzou.
This post was edited on 11/10/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:54 pm to JesusQuintana
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There is literally 0 chance of this happening.
Arkansas won’t win another game all year.
'Member when you guys lost to Tennessee by 23 points?
yikes.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:02 pm to midnight special
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The defense was trending very much in a good direction by the end of his time at Mizzou.
Im confused here. tRant said our offense was awful, and only good against the buy-in games, so which one is it?
Plus BO is 100% to blame for losing the team and locker room in 2019
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:04 pm to midnight special
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I will be sure to add more as I contribute here.
Oh please do ! We can't wait for the gift of your insider knowledge. You surely have "special powers".
Please teach us about all things concerning Mizzou.
When you figure out how to add your favorite team to your user info, do that too.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:11 pm to mizslu314
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They hate to acknowledge this
Why would we "hate to acknowledge this?" He is our D coordinator. We know how good he is. We don't dispute what you're saying.
Are all Mizzou fans stupid?
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:15 pm to Clark14
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Arkansas was never ALLOWED to win in the swamp.
If Mark Curles is calling the game i'm gonna melt
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:19 pm to midnight special
I agree with you in a lot ways. I do not think that it has or will set us back. WE are about the same place as we were. I think that Next year or the following Barry will get another opportunity.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:43 pm to mizslu314
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Im confused here. tRant said our offense was awful, and only good against the buy-in games, so which one is it?
Why don't you have self agency and your own beliefs?
Or revert to stats, even.
Mizzou had offense under Barry, a defensive specialist.
They got F'd on a raw deal with Kelly Bryant in 2019, but the foundation was as strong as ever under him and moving in the right direction.
Bazelak was the guy he chose to be his program leader, he didn't even get a chance to have his first true QB recruit take the ball.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:46 pm to sarasotatiger
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I do not think that it has or will set us back. WE are about the same place as we were. I think that Next year or the following Barry will get another opportunity.
The problem is where you will be in 10 years.
You had someone who was committed to the next 25 years, which is exactly the blueprint Pinkel created for optimal success at a school like Mizzou.
You need to build a solid 8 win program who can hit on 10+ win season when things align properly with the depth chart.
The guy you have now is sharp in ways, but is not in it to stay.
You can think you'll be in a win-win if he does well and leaves, but I disagree and at best you're rolling the dice over and over which doesn't bode well for the odds.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 2:52 pm to midnight special
Odom failed. He was fired. He had a good team last year and completely shite the bed. He couldn’t recruit in state and the defense you are crediting him for only improved we he stopped running it.
He’s a coordinator. No shame in that. Hopefully he realizes that too because he can be successful for a long time if he stays in his lane.
He’s a coordinator. No shame in that. Hopefully he realizes that too because he can be successful for a long time if he stays in his lane.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 3:00 pm to JesusQuintana
That's all 'cope'.
And it's 100% due to a lack of understanding by the collective core of your fanbase.
You will never even attempt to understand the true situation with your program in 2015.
You won't acknowledge the battle to overcome racial and deep cultural issues, rebuilding a stadium, not having a locker room, NCAA investigations that he had nothing to do with.
He turned the narrative in your state around through effort and finally started winning those recruiting battles - again, failure to understand 2015.
He proved over and over to finding great talent out of state - Rakestraw is an example of such a find that others later covet.
Mizzou fans failed him, period.
The circumstances were extreme and never understood.
Through it all, the arrow was pointing up and foundation was growing stronger.
He really should have been allowed to see through his first true QB recruit.
And it's 100% due to a lack of understanding by the collective core of your fanbase.
You will never even attempt to understand the true situation with your program in 2015.
You won't acknowledge the battle to overcome racial and deep cultural issues, rebuilding a stadium, not having a locker room, NCAA investigations that he had nothing to do with.
He turned the narrative in your state around through effort and finally started winning those recruiting battles - again, failure to understand 2015.
He proved over and over to finding great talent out of state - Rakestraw is an example of such a find that others later covet.
Mizzou fans failed him, period.
The circumstances were extreme and never understood.
Through it all, the arrow was pointing up and foundation was growing stronger.
He really should have been allowed to see through his first true QB recruit.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 3:04 pm to midnight special
You aren’t going to sit here and tell me I don’t understand our own football program. For fricks sake, Mrs Odom.
Here is the thing, your husband absolutely shite the bed in his last year and there was absolutely ZERO excitement or energy surrounding the program because he’s a dud. Doesn’t make him a bad guy or a bad coach even but he just doesn’t have the “it” needed to be a head coach.
He earned his dismissal the old fashioned way, by not being good enough.
Here is the thing, your husband absolutely shite the bed in his last year and there was absolutely ZERO excitement or energy surrounding the program because he’s a dud. Doesn’t make him a bad guy or a bad coach even but he just doesn’t have the “it” needed to be a head coach.
He earned his dismissal the old fashioned way, by not being good enough.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 3:07 pm to midnight special
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And it's 100% due to a lack of understanding by the collective core of your fanbase.
100% agree. KB banging the TE's girl after the Ole miss game and losing control of the locker room is TOTTALY due to not understanding the fan base.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 3:09 pm to midnight special
If Odom scores 20 points and holds Florida under 40 I would consider it a win for Arkansas. Florida is a top 3 team IMO.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 3:14 pm to JesusQuintana
Was there excitement in year one of Barry's tenure? No. So don't tell me about lack of excitement in the last year.
The overwhelming core of Mizzou fans thought they deserved an established, high profile head coach after Pinkel's success.
They didn't get that, so they pouted and looked for any and all reason to push Barry down with zero effort to understand context or issues within the program.
Barry dealt with immeasurable and measurable challenges that are both largely ignored by the so called fans of Mizzou.
The overwhelming core of Mizzou fans thought they deserved an established, high profile head coach after Pinkel's success.
They didn't get that, so they pouted and looked for any and all reason to push Barry down with zero effort to understand context or issues within the program.
Barry dealt with immeasurable and measurable challenges that are both largely ignored by the so called fans of Mizzou.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 3:39 pm to midnight special
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Mizzou fans really didn't understand their own situation, which is a sign of a really bad fanbase, and it led to a mistake of gargantuan proportion that won't be fully realized for 15-20 years.
Mizzou doesn't have a core base that maintains truthful narratives. It's a fanbase that isn't tethered to a core of thousands of people that truly understand the program on a deep level.
"Self introspection bullshite aside, at the end of the day we judge our head coach on his won-loss record over time."
---every fan of every fanbase in the history of college football
Posted on 11/10/20 at 4:05 pm to mizslu314
I wanna know more about KB banging the TE’s girl. How’d that go over within the locker room? Lol
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