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re: Honest discussion about NIL. Would love to hear thoughts.

Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:18 pm to
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quote: Could they go get a side job? Yes or no

No


Thanks. You freely admit that you’re absolutely wrong.

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someone can start a different league or whatever and pay them


Why? We already have that league. Maybe you should go start a league and refuse to pay them if that’s so important to you.

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The idea that the government should regulate a business/orginzation is not capitalism


What they did is 100000% capitalism. They aren’t forcing the NCAA or anyone else to pay them more. They’re ALLOWING people to pay them. Please….pretty please….with a cherry on top explain to me how allowing two consenting parties to agree upon payment is

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North Korea shite.


And while you’re trying to figure out how to make that argument….maybe you should go start your own league where you don’t pay them.

I’d probably start that in North Korea though. Somehow I don’t think you’ll be able to start that league here because of that pesky constitution.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:19 pm to
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They are profiting on their abilities


Yep. They sure are. Thanks capitalism! Sure am glad this is a country where two consenting parties are allowed to negotiate salaries!
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:21 pm to
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The "league" would also need to place stiff restrictions on transfers.

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Removing the dollar chasing would greatly reduce the transfers. Maybe bonus for GPA and a degree from member institutions would help.
I think they work hand-in-hand. Restrict the current transfer rules where kids are have to wait 2 yrs to be eligible to play if they transfer. These players/agents/parents/uncles are non-stop shopping these kids to the highest bidder.

If a parent or agent knows after his 5* WR signs with Florida that he can't play elsewhere until he's earned enough college credits and completed his sophomore yr, the tampering and shopping gets nipped in the bud.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:23 pm to
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I think they work hand-in-hand. Restrict the current transfer rules where kids are have to wait 2 yrs to be eligible to play if they transfer. These players/agents/parents/uncles are non-stop shopping these kids to the highest bidder. If a parent or agent knows after his 5* WR signs with Florida that he can't play elsewhere until he's earned enough college credits and completed his sophomore yr, the tampering and shopping gets nipped in the bud.


The transfer portal mess is what’s truly ruining the sport more than NIL. But I’d like to see how the recent non-compete clause ruling pertains to the transfer portal.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:25 pm to
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Thanks. You freely admit that you’re absolutely wrong.


You are the one having to take things out of context and claim a victory based on that.

So I think this is pretty much done.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:33 pm to
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You are the one having to take things out of context and claim a victory based on that.


I’m not taking anything at all out of context. It was ruled that athletes cannot be prevented from profiting off of their own name, image, or likeness. You’re just throwing an absolute bitch fit people’s ability to profit off of their hard work is making a thing you like to watch on TV less fun for you. And then you have the audacity to call anyone entitled.

You fit that definition to a T


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So I think this is pretty much done.


No. It isn’t “pretty much” done. It is done. So you can either get over your own entitlement, figure out something else to do, or take your own advice and go start a new league in another country.

I guess another option is to start a communist revolution but really don’t think that will end well.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Tideroller
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:44 pm to
NIL might not be that bad. The (unlimited) transfer portal might not be that bad. But when you combine them, it produces tons of players roaming from team to team, getting a pay raise with each move and "screw the school I just left, someone offered me more money". IMHO the combination of the 2 is a complete disaster.
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:52 pm to
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The transfer portal mess is what’s truly ruining the sport more than NIL. But I’d like to see how the recent non-compete clause ruling pertains to the transfer portal.
Agree 100%.

Unlimited, unrestricted transfers have resulted in nothing more than placing these kids on an auction block. Agents market their inventory, and the highest bidder pays them until the agent finds the next outfit that'll pay a higher price.

When a 5* freshman can pull more than his position coach or even in some cases the offensive or defensive coordinator's salaries somethings whacked out.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:56 pm to
You got a little taste of it with the modern landscape of coaching salaries. They used to be thought of as having loyalty. They’ve been nothing more than paid mercenaries pimped out to the highest bidder by super agents.

Funny that I don’t remember the other bama fan bitching about Saban being entitled for making $10 million a year.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:12 pm to
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I’m not taking anything at all out of context. It was ruled that athletes cannot be prevented from profiting off of their own name, image, or likeness. You’re just throwing an absolute bitch fit people’s ability to profit off of their hard work is making a thing you like to watch on TV less fun for you. And then you have the audacity to call anyone entitled.

You fit that definition to a T


And we're still right back to claiming anyone who disagrees with things must be because they are scared of kids getting paid because they don't want to lose their advantage.

Meanwhile, Ole Miss brought in the #20 class last year and Alabama brought in the #2.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the rich are just going to get richer. I swear you guys are determined to turn college football into the "Only a few teams can compete" bullshite excuses you've been using for years just to finally be right.

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No. It isn’t “pretty much” done. It is done. So you can either get over your own entitlement, figure out something else to do, or take your own advice and go start a new league in another country.

I guess another option is to start a communist revolution but really don’t think that will end well.


I'd just stop watching. It's not my only hobby in life, I have many.

And talking about communism while using the government to control organizations. Of course you are that stupid. I'd love to hear what you think communism is.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 4:13 pm
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:17 pm to
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You got a little taste of it with the modern landscape of coaching salaries. They used to be thought of as having loyalty. They’ve been nothing more than paid mercenaries pimped out to the highest bidder by super agents.

Funny that I don’t remember the other bama fan bitching about Saban being entitled for making $10 million a year.
Bama hired and retained Coach Saban for nearly 2 decades, the ROI is immeasurable. These astronomical coaching salaries are paid to grown men who've proven themselves to some degree in their profession.

Some high school kids rated by random recruiting services as a 5* are rumored to be pulling +$1million in NIL at some positions before they've even logged any meaningful playing time.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:17 pm to
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You got a little taste of it with the modern landscape of coaching salaries. They used to be thought of as having loyalty. They’ve been nothing more than paid mercenaries pimped out to the highest bidder by super agents.

Funny that I don’t remember the other bama fan bitching about Saban being entitled for making $10 million a year.


Because that is his value. And more importantly, the value he provides is part of the value provided to the players. Imagine how much it would cost someone if they had to pay to get mentored by that person for multiple years.

But that's too complicated for you to understand. All you see is revenue.

Which means you've likely never in your life owned a business or have any concept of what revenue actually means. I mean anyone who thinks you should get a % of revenue has no idea what revenue is. Also probably why you have no fricking clue what capitalism or communism looks like.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:20 pm to
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kids could go to the schools they want and not just choose based upon pay.

Who needs to consider such things you're going pro

Honestly, NIL thing is annoying, not because it's changed our status (UK had the typical season it does under stoops) but because odds are the person cares 0 about the school and will leave at the drop of hat/opt put of bowl games.

It's becoming the NFL, and the nfl sucks
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:31 pm to
When a full-ride scholarship, free room/board + access to top nutrition & training facilities become irrelevant and are no longer considered a benefit, things have gone off the ledge.
Posted by Clark14
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:47 pm to
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So, I really hadn't thought about it that much till I saw where Jerry Jones was promising to pay double for kids that were migrating to Arkansas from Kentucky, and the 16 year old kid that is demanding $2M a year, but I got to thinking about how NIL is impacting college sports, or what used to be college sports, now just a professional league with college names on the front. Let's discuss it a bit and help me if I'm wrong, because I really haven't researched it to be sure I understand how it all works.


So nil didn’t bother you until a unfounded rumor about Jerry Jones surfaced?
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:51 pm to
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So nil didn’t bother you until a unfounded rumor about Jerry Jones surfaced?


Even if he doesn't do it, it still kind of highlights what is possible within the current atmosphere.
Posted by Clark14
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:03 pm to
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Even if he doesn't do it, it still kind of highlights what is possible within the current atmosphere.


My thoughts before it kicked in was the players would receive a decent wage then be able to earn more with other deals which was fair since they were restricted on earning income outside of their scholarships.

But bidding wars over players is disgusting no matter who it is. Maybe when smaller schools like Arkansas start utilizing this and succeeding with it they’ll finally address it and make changes, which is generally what happens.

I’ll believe the Jerry thing when he tells me himself, I don’t recall him making any money noise in any sport and if does do it I’d rather it be in football.
Posted by Porcine Human
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Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:15 pm to
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So, I really hadn't thought about it that much till I saw where Jerry Jones was promising to pay double for kids that were migrating to Arkansas from Kentucky


You know that was all bullshite, right?
Posted by Jster15
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:31 pm to
You should educate yourself. Google and read…and understand page 1 of the admission requirements for University of Alabama. “ SAT or ACat scores are not required. Alabama remiss on a combination of…blah, blah blah and “holistic” factors.” Lol..just trapped yourself also dumbass. A 1.6 GPA is a failing grade. No one should be graduating from high school with that kind of GPA. But according to you, someone with a passing grade of just 40% is University of Alabama material. Lol
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:40 pm to
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Because that is his value.


Ah. so what person is responsible for determining said value? I’ll answer that for you…..it’s the person who is willing to pay said value. But the “oh no see that’s different!” argument is fricking hilarious.

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Also probably why you have no fricking clue what capitalism or communism looks like.


Says the guy angry that two consenting parties are able to negotiate terms of payment.

Shouldn’t you be starting your own league in another country so you can limit how much money people can make? Or are you just going to keep crying about it?
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