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re: Herbstreit: People are failing to grasp this is a new era
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:12 am to harmonics
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:12 am to harmonics
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LSU is #2 in the playoff poll, ahead of defending champ Ohio State and all they want to talk about is where Alabama is ranked. It is pathetic.
I think the entire SEC would agree, Ohio State doesn't really deserve that 3 spot. Florida, IMO is more deserving. Plus, the committee ranked LSU higher than both other polls, so we benefitted as well.
And mark it down, if LSU loses a close one on Saturday, I doubt we fall below 5. The committee will reward LSU for one loss on the road to a top 4 team (although I don't understand their hate towards UF?)
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:22 am to ibldprplgld
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(although I don't understand their hate towards UF?)
I'm pretty sure that they took into account that UF lost their starting QB. Harris isn't near as proficient of a QB as Grier was, especially in McElwain's system. If Grier was still the starting QB, they would be ranked higher.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:30 am to beaverfever
The sec ain't good Enough for that to happen
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:35 am to BayouBengals03
i agree with this.
does not matter tho. we lose this weekend and we gone...
we win this weekend and we are legitimate top 4 team.
I think the CFB people enjoy watching people lose their minds over this.
does not matter tho. we lose this weekend and we gone...
we win this weekend and we are legitimate top 4 team.
I think the CFB people enjoy watching people lose their minds over this.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:41 am to TJGator1215
Rankings and Perception at the time you play are more important than weeks later.
Anyone can go out and beat Tiger Woods on the golf course today. Beating him today and being ranked ahead of him is no where near what it would have meant several years ago in his prime.
When you play a team who is mentally on a roll, has all their major playmakers and undefeated. They are a better team at that point than they would be weeks later with multiple injuries and having been beat and lost that mental momentum and confidence.
Look at boxing. Mike Tyson had beat people before the bell had even rung. He was thought of as the greatest fighter in decades. Then when someone didnt fall and took him to the wire and won, all of a sudden he was not as good. Its perception and perception is reality.
Anyone can go out and beat Tiger Woods on the golf course today. Beating him today and being ranked ahead of him is no where near what it would have meant several years ago in his prime.
When you play a team who is mentally on a roll, has all their major playmakers and undefeated. They are a better team at that point than they would be weeks later with multiple injuries and having been beat and lost that mental momentum and confidence.
Look at boxing. Mike Tyson had beat people before the bell had even rung. He was thought of as the greatest fighter in decades. Then when someone didnt fall and took him to the wire and won, all of a sudden he was not as good. Its perception and perception is reality.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:59 am to 14&Counting
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Ummmm...when we played them Georgia and Aggie were Top 10 teams and Wisky was ranked Top 20 as well. We also lost to a ranked Ole Miss team. Bama has by far played a tougher schedule and had more quality wins.
Oh, you're going with the well they were ranked when we played them angle? Gotcha, yea that's brilliant. I guess ND needs credit for that top 15 win over 3-6 Georgia Tech.
Texas A&M I'll admit I forgot about. After they got destroyed by Ole Miss I forgot about them and had no clue they could be ranked after that.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:00 am to ibldprplgld
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Florida, IMO is more deserving.
Based on what, a close call to Kentucky, Tennessee and East Carolina? Tennessee got beat by Arky, who got beat by Toledo, who just got beat by a team that gave Ohio State all it could handle. Florida is playing very good, but they got a Georgia and Mizzou who are so offensively challenged that it's considered a plus by either team to just make it to the red zone. LSU ran all over them. That's a fact. UF is about where they should be right now.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:03 am to Taurus 357
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Based on what, a close call to Kentucky, Tennessee and East Carolina? Tennessee got beat by Arky, who got beat by Toledo, who just got beat by a team that gave Ohio State all it could handle
And Alabama lost to Ole Miss who lost to Memphis who barely beat Bowling green, Cincinatti and South Florida. Your point?
Transitive properties play absolutely no role in these rankings, so your logic is null and void.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:09 am to ReauxlTide222
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Because that's not how playoffs work. The regular season is to find the best teams. The playoffs is a tournament with those teams
The regular season is a tournament. At least it used to be..
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:13 am to aspiclark
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and yet, no computers or human polls agree with the chorus of you butthurt lsu fans. strange how that works. must be a conspiracy.
Who is butt hurt here? So you think LSU fans are the only ones that don't think bama should be 4? Did you even watch the selection show or any other espn show after the rankings came out? No, instead you are bitching on an LSU website.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:16 am to Skeeterpop
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Rankings and Perception at the time you play are more important than weeks later.
Anyone can go out and beat Tiger Woods on the golf course today. Beating him today and being ranked ahead of him is no where near what it would have meant several years ago in his prime.
When you play a team who is mentally on a roll, has all their major playmakers and undefeated. They are a better team at that point than they would be weeks later with multiple injuries and having been beat and lost that mental momentum and confidence.
Look at boxing. Mike Tyson had beat people before the bell had even rung. He was thought of as the greatest fighter in decades. Then when someone didnt fall and took him to the wire and won, all of a sudden he was not as good. Its perception and perception is reality.
That there is all wrong.
For one thing, you're combining two separate and distinct ranking systems. You are also taking into account preseason rankings which everyone seems to agree are meaningless - until they want to use them to bolster their team's SOS.
Auburn was ranked #6 in the preseason and #18 when LSU beat them. LSU has no business claiming that win over Auburn as a top-20 win.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:21 am to cas4t
Look man. I didn't create the transitive property. I'm only accentuating the narrative that a lot of the Ranters have. Team X beat Team Y, who beat team Z. But team Z smoked team X.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:23 am to Taurus 357
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I didn't create the transitive property
I didn't insinuate that you did.
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I'm only accentuating the narrative that a lot of the Ranters have. Team X beat Team Y, who beat team Z. But team Z smoked team X
We are not talking about rant logic; read the OP. We are talking about the playoff design. And the playoff design does not include transitive property.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:26 am to RandySavage
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, you're going with the well they were ranked when we played them angle? Gotcha, yea that's brilliant.
Do you not see the flaw in your logic....Bama beats Team X. Team X was a Top 10 team when Bama played them. Bama beats the crap out of Team X and Team X drops in the polls. Hence, everyone says Team X isn't a quality win because they are now not ranked as high.
It's a ridiculous premise.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:28 am to 14&Counting
Hoping you saw my post in the other thread that LSU has the highest SOS in the SEC. No need for you to spew the idiocy that Alabama has a tougher schedule when they statistically do not. Not to mention you get LSU at home and LSU gets Bama on the road.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:29 am to cas4t
All right then. If it's just your opinion that Florida should be higher then it's just my opinion that they are where they should be. Hopefully the committee gets this part correct, and I think I'm in the majority on this: the SEC champ will get a bid. But let's say Florida wins out until the SEC title game and loses in a tight game. If it's to Bama with 1 loss, does the committee consider LSU with their only loss to Bama as a second SEC team like 2012? Now it's moot if Florida wins out anyways. But if Florida wins out and wins a nail biter in Atlanta vs. Unbeaten LSU would the Tigers be the second team in?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:31 am to Taurus 357
I think your scenario is tough to predict because we still have Notre Dame, TCU and Baylor. I'd need to know how they ended up in tis scenario.
I do not think a non SEC champ, with 1 loss (even if only to bama on the road) is going to get in over an undefeated Big 12 champ.
I do not think a non SEC champ, with 1 loss (even if only to bama on the road) is going to get in over an undefeated Big 12 champ.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:32 am to cas4t
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Hoping you saw my post in the other thread that LSU has the highest SOS in the SEC.
No I missed it but frankly find that hard to believe. LSU has one quality win over Florida...It's next best win is a 2-point victory over the Grinders. Your OOC win was over probably the worst team in the ACC and you will play exactly one less game than everyone else. Not LSU's fault of course but Bama was playing #20 Power 5 Wisky at a neutral site.
Tell me again about that schedule.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:37 am to 14&Counting
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Tell me again about that schedule.
Ok, I can tell you again since you asked.
LSU has the highest SOS in the SEC.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:38 am to cas4t
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LSU has the highest SOS in the SEC
Bama on the road amirite?
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