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re: Have we had our annual Brisket is not BBQ thread yet this summer?

Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:11 pm to
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There's only a handful of places around Atlanta I'll get brisket out:

Fox Bros
Four 41 South
Grand Champion


Ever try Heirloom? It's...different, but in a good way. Literal mom and pop operation, but mom is Korean and pop is a good ole boy. Definitely not your traditional BBQ place so it's not for everyone, but I like it. The trouble is they have like 2 tables and some places to stand and eat outside. Otherwise it's all to go.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
45966 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:16 pm to
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Fat Matt's is the biggest trash hole and I have no idea why outsiders think that their food is good


Yeah that's definitely a mystery to me too. I tried it once because people talk about it being good, but never again. The ribs tasted like they had been cut and sitting under a heat lamp for half an hour before they ended up on my plate.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71113 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:20 pm to
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Yeah that's definitely a mystery to me too. I tried it once because people talk about it being good, but never again. The ribs tasted like they had been cut and sitting under a heat lamp for half an hour before they ended up on my plate.

Mine were soaking wet like they had been boiled, then doused in BBQ sauced and wrapped with paper. I felt like I needed to change clothes and shower after eating them
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted by jiminAZ
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Member since Jul 2021
158 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:25 pm to
"I have both. I mostly use my pellet smoker for ribs when I don't have all day to tend my offset. For the most part, I let me wife do it.

But when I'm looking for maximum flavor and have the time, I'll be out there with my offset.

In short, the pellet smoker allows me to have smoked food more often. It does a pretty good job on the ribs."



Part of the difference is dryness of wood. For most offsets having seasoned (not kiln dried) with about 17% moisture allows for better smoking.

One of the keys for separation of stick burners is convection, which is why where and how high you build the stack is important. Most put it too high on the pit. It needs to be down grate level. May seem counter intuitive, but smoke naturally rises and grate level stack of large diameter and 7'-8' or higher will work better. I only know of one exception of size being less than about 250 gallon on more, where the typical back yard is as good as the best big guys

The less smoke from pellet grills can be mitigated (not fixed) multiple ways. A) adding moistuer in the cooking area. Cooking pellets are <10% moisture and you can't add moisture directl to them B) doing a biscuit test to know your hot spots C) Not all pellet grills are the same. Mine is custom built in Houston, with dual stacks, to assist with the convection.

Nothing can beat a properly built offset. Some of the reverse flows can come close, like Shirley in Birmingham and Meadow Creek of California
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:25 pm to
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The problem I have with brisket is so many places/people frick it up. even many places in texas. They just put it out there and the novices just eat it up.

Pork can be screwed up at a lot of places as well, just a bit more forgiving


This ... to my palate there is nothing on the planet like brisket done right. If it isn't done right, it's simply inedible. Where you can still make a decent meal off average pork BBQ.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
45966 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:34 pm to
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Mine were soaking wet like they had been boiled, then doused in BBQ sauced and wrapped with paper. I felt like I needed to change clothes and shower after eating them


Yeesh. That's even worse. If the bones slid right out and you had to basically eat them with a fork that's probably what had been done to them. "Fall of the bone ribs" is a marketing gimmick for people who don't know any better, because all those places parboil them to get them to do that.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71113 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:36 pm to
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Yeesh. That's even worse. If the bones slid right out and you had to basically eat them with a fork that's probably what had been done to them. "Fall of the bone ribs" is a marketing gimmick for people who don't know any better, because all those places parboil them to get them to do that.

Fat Matt's 100% boils their ribs
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
31934 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:54 pm to
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The "inventor" of the Bacon Explosion (at least the dude who got interviewed on Today show and credited, and eventually published a cookbook and won an award in Paris or something), lives about 4 houses down from me.


Well, tell him my kid loves them! So much so, that's what he wanted for his Birthday dinner.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:55 pm to
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Fat Matt's
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:56 pm to
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It's hard to screw up pork;


It is hard to screw up pork to make it awful, but it is hard to make it very well
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23352 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:59 pm to
That looks horrible. If you got to pour something like that on meat you are doing something else very wrong.

Posted by jiminAZ
QUEEN CREEK
Member since Jul 2021
158 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:00 pm to
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Yeesh. That's even worse. If the bones slid right out and you had to basically eat them with a fork that's probably what had been done to them. "Fall of the bone ribs" is a marketing gimmick for people who don't know any better, because all those places parboil them to get them to do that.

The 3-2-1 method can get you close to fall off the bone. Fall off the bone tells me I don't want to eat there Proper done ribs,the bones allow you to take a normal bite and leave a clean bone, where you took the bite
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 2:02 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71113 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:09 pm to
This greasy fricking mess at Fat Matt's

Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:09 pm to
you can definitely get fall off the bone from just smoking. However in competition BBQ, you will not come close to placing if they do
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
31934 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:09 pm to
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Fall off the bone tells me I don't want to eat there Proper done ribs,the bones allow you to take a normal bite and leave a clean bone, where you took the bite


Or that's the way your family likes them. I've told them time and time again that "fall off the bone" ribs are over done. They've told me time and time again, that's they way they like them and to keep making them the same way. So I do.

I do a simple 3-2-1. They don't totally "fall of the bone" but as you say, it's close. You have to take a bite and it's clean.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 2:11 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
74771 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:10 pm to
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Fat Matt's is the biggest trash hole and I have no idea why outsiders think that their food is good

Thank you! We sucked it up and went in a few years ago. They did St. Louis spare ribs instead of baby backs, and they were overcooked.

I'm sorry, but if the bones fall out, they're overdone.

The best thing at Fat Matt's was the lemonade. It was legit.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:13 pm to
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This greasy fricking mess at Fat Matt's


everything on their menu is awful, meats and sides
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
74771 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:13 pm to
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However in competition BBQ, you will not come close to placing if they do

There's definitely a world of difference between backyard BBQ and competition style. We prefer competition style.

Mrs. Vox and I have considered getting KCBA certified, just for the experience. We're BBQ snobs as it is, so we may as well make it official.

Don't even get me started about Eggtoberfest being canceled for the 2nd straight year.
Posted by RedDirtSooner
Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
699 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:16 pm to
That looks terrible. How does that place stay open?
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:18 pm to
My brother in law has been retired since 35 and all he does is travel the country doing food competitions, 90% BBQ. Has a ridiculous RV and giant trailer/kitchen with 4 different smokers on the back porch of the trailer. cooks some good shite up.

Also to dispel the midwestern notions from earlier, he is from Ohio. Routinely places and wins them. Even the World Food Comp.
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