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Has Nebraska given up on football?
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:04 pm
The Devaney and Osborne years fielded some of the best teams in college football history. They were probably the closest thing to an Alabama-level dynasty and now Frost gets another year after just 15 wins in 4 seasons.
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:11 pm to DyeHardDylan
No. And that's the shameful part
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:14 pm to DyeHardDylan
I dont have an answer to why frost isn't doing better but the guy worked miracles at ucf and I feel like he could again. Its just something about that place. The best coach they have had since osbourne was bo pellini
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:16 pm to DyeHardDylan
The curse of Frank Solich
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:20 pm to DyeHardDylan
Generally speaking, OSU, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin can pretty much lock down the best players in their states. Even if Nebraska could do the same, their population is too small and there's nothing even remotely exciting about Lincoln. Unless they were to land a generational coach that could recruit nationally, I don't see them being relevant again, especially in the age of NIL.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:20 pm to themicah85
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I dont have an answer to why frost isn't doing better but the guy worked miracles at ucf and I feel like he could again. Its just something about that place. The best coach they have had since osbourne was bo pellini
No. Frank Solich.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:21 pm to themicah85
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miracles at ucf
Florida recruiting
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:30 pm to DyeHardDylan
Nebraska fans are the most loyal in the world and tend to be very classy. I feel bad for them to have to endure this year after year. But just like Keith Jackson and Frank Broyles are from a by-gone era which will never return, so is Nebraska.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:35 pm to Tantal
This is an interesting point. You’re right, Nebraska is never going to win nattys with mostly in state players as they once did, for a number of reasons. Mauling people upfront with Nebraska farm boys who are weight room fanatics doesn’t win games anymore.
They lack an identity currently which is especially bad for a team with a dearth of instate talent. Their neighbors to the east at Iowa have a lot of in state starters and are competitive. This is what Nebby should try to emulate IMO. The fact that Frost will be coaching again to me shows they aren’t serious anymore.
They lack an identity currently which is especially bad for a team with a dearth of instate talent. Their neighbors to the east at Iowa have a lot of in state starters and are competitive. This is what Nebby should try to emulate IMO. The fact that Frost will be coaching again to me shows they aren’t serious anymore.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:38 pm to Tantal
quote:Well, there ya go. NIL payments can make a lot of places look good. Nebraska's got a lot of boosters.
I don't see them being relevant again, especially in the age of NIL.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 10:22 pm to Scoob
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Well, there ya go. NIL payments can make a lot of places look good. Nebraska's got a lot of boosters.
Not as big as half of the B1G.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 10:25 pm to DyeHardDylan
Hard to recruit top shelf talent to Lincoln, Godforsaken Nebraska.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 10:50 pm to DyeHardDylan
Their culture broke. It happens to blue bloods sometimes. They take kids that seem nice and buy into the pagentry and get lost in it versus the grimy, grindy stuff that got them there.
Same thing has happened to Texas, USC, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, etc.
Nothing is guaranteed. Programs can get soft and there's a tendency to want to go back to what previously worked when what you need is a ruthless mfker who's just fine cutting half the roster.
How many dudes did Saban cycle out when he got to Bama? I don't remember the numbers, but I know it was a lot. It's HARD to rebuild the edge that keeps some teams great. Michigan might have just found it after decades. That's why I'm suspect of the LR USC hire. He can't just be an offensive whiz. He has to process 20+ players too.
Same thing has happened to Texas, USC, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, etc.
Nothing is guaranteed. Programs can get soft and there's a tendency to want to go back to what previously worked when what you need is a ruthless mfker who's just fine cutting half the roster.
How many dudes did Saban cycle out when he got to Bama? I don't remember the numbers, but I know it was a lot. It's HARD to rebuild the edge that keeps some teams great. Michigan might have just found it after decades. That's why I'm suspect of the LR USC hire. He can't just be an offensive whiz. He has to process 20+ players too.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 10:54 pm to DyeHardDylan
Nebraska and Arkansas share a similar, yet unique circumstance. Nebraska Football is the only show in the state, and the State of Nebraska has given Nebraska Football their full support. The main difference in Arkansas and Nebraska is that Arkansas plays in the SEC, this is a positive with recruiting and not so much for on the field results. Nebraska should be able to leverage a similar level of resources and support. I would look at the AD, maybe some donors who have input. Extending Frost is complacent at best. They have no fire.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 10:56 pm to five_fivesix
They could. They need a bedrock, harder culture though. They got soft. They already were under Bo, and then it got worse. Solich had the last nasty Nebraska team and it still wasn't that good.
They need a developer more than a recruiter than anything else. Someone who can take the same route Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, etc. do.
They need a developer more than a recruiter than anything else. Someone who can take the same route Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, etc. do.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 10:58 pm to NEOJoe
Nebraska previously functioned by having the most massive walk on program out there. And really good gear, that was ahead of the game. Nebraska using "creatine" was a joke in the 90's.
NIL if they invest might get them back, at least, to the roster size that helped them develop kids. Can't duplicate the partial qualifier setup though, which was the biggest thing.
NIL if they invest might get them back, at least, to the roster size that helped them develop kids. Can't duplicate the partial qualifier setup though, which was the biggest thing.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:05 pm to CrabInMyShoeMouth
Yeah, but Wisconsin and MN are in the same division with twice the population. Wisconsin has been good, Minnesota's got Fleck figuring shite out. Iowa kids stay home at one of the two for the most part. There's lots of farm boys, and none of those schools are going to run out of them, but some do it better.
Nebraska's huge advantage back in the day were partial qualifiers and an ENORMOUS walk on program, many of whom were juiced to the fricking gills. I mean so were the other competitors in the 90s, but things changed a bit since then. The system they set up is no longer functional, and they've struggled to make themselves more like what's working in their area.
But if Nebraska COULD get together a Wisconsin/Iowa type defensive legacy, or what Minnesota's starting to work on, they might have the national cred still to go get the skill position dudes that keeps those other upper midwest programs from contending with the Eastern powers. They got a chance... Just running out of time.
Nebraska's huge advantage back in the day were partial qualifiers and an ENORMOUS walk on program, many of whom were juiced to the fricking gills. I mean so were the other competitors in the 90s, but things changed a bit since then. The system they set up is no longer functional, and they've struggled to make themselves more like what's working in their area.
But if Nebraska COULD get together a Wisconsin/Iowa type defensive legacy, or what Minnesota's starting to work on, they might have the national cred still to go get the skill position dudes that keeps those other upper midwest programs from contending with the Eastern powers. They got a chance... Just running out of time.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:07 pm to DyeHardDylan
They realize demographics are against them.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:26 pm to wablty
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Yeah, but Wisconsin and MN are in the same division with twice the population. Wisconsin has been good, Minnesota's got Fleck figuring shite out. Iowa kids stay home at one of the two for the most part. There's lots of farm boys, and none of those schools are going to run out of them, but some do it better.
Nebraska's huge advantage back in the day were partial qualifiers and an ENORMOUS walk on program, many of whom were juiced to the fricking gills. I mean so were the other competitors in the 90s, but things changed a bit since then. The system they set up is no longer functional, and they've struggled to make themselves more like what's working in their area.
But if Nebraska COULD get together a Wisconsin/Iowa type defensive legacy, or what Minnesota's starting to work on, they might have the national cred still to go get the skill position dudes that keeps those other upper midwest programs from contending with the Eastern powers. They got a chance... Just running out of time.
I definitely agree that time is running out, maybe it has. Iowa today is a school that Nebraska should be comparable to in recruiting, on-field results, national perception, etc. The fact you mention Minnesota and Fleck is exactly why I can't understand what Frost (Nebraska) is doing, and Fleck only wins the games he's supposed to while also losing a handful.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:27 pm to wablty
For sure. Aaron Taylor (Outland winner) was a walk on iirc. I agree with what you’re saying about how they’ve lost their culture and identity. For what it’s worth, it seems like their team has gotten much bigger and stronger under Frost (at least the eye test).
One of the many problems w/ Frost IMO is that he tried to build in Lincoln what he did at UCF. The circumstances are just too different. My take is that Nebby should try to emulate what Iowa and wisky have done with their programs. Barry A got to wisky 30 years ago and decided to build a program around a natural strength (OL recruiting in Upper Midwest).
In some ways these teams are less dominant versions of what Nebraska used to be. I’d like to see the Huskers get back on track, but as you’ve said, they seem to be running out of time to catch up.
One of the many problems w/ Frost IMO is that he tried to build in Lincoln what he did at UCF. The circumstances are just too different. My take is that Nebby should try to emulate what Iowa and wisky have done with their programs. Barry A got to wisky 30 years ago and decided to build a program around a natural strength (OL recruiting in Upper Midwest).
In some ways these teams are less dominant versions of what Nebraska used to be. I’d like to see the Huskers get back on track, but as you’ve said, they seem to be running out of time to catch up.
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