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re: Has Nebraska given up on football?
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:30 pm to wablty
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:30 pm to wablty
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Nebraska previously functioned by having the most massive walk on program out there. And really good gear, that was ahead of the game. Nebraska using "creatine" was a joke in the 90's.
NIL if they invest might get them back, at least, to the roster size that helped them develop kids. Can't duplicate the partial qualifier setup though, which was the biggest thing.
The creatine thing was real and it made a big difference for Nebaska. Just as steroids had done for them a decade prior to that.
And just as organized weightlifting had done a decade before that.
In each instance, other teams started copying what Nebraska was doing and Nebraska came back to the pack.
Boyd Epley was a genius and way ahead of his time as an S&C guy. If he were still working there he probably would have had them on another ahead of the curve PED and they would still be mauling people with local guys.
If anything the partial qualifer thing was not as big a factor as people are making it out to be. Nebraska led the country in Academic All Americans throughout almost all of the Devaney/Osborne years. They got some guys through partials but that wasn't the majority of their teams.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:49 pm to Gunga Din
I think Boyd is still kinda around but he’s getting older. I do believe Frost has worked with him somewhat and as I mentioned above, to me, Nebraska’s players look like they’re more developed in the last couple years. Iirc Callahan and Epley did not really get along which led to the demise of the Husker Power program for a while.
For anyone interested there’s a series of interviews called “anatomy of an era” about Husker football in the 90s. A really good look into the culture under Osborne.
For anyone interested there’s a series of interviews called “anatomy of an era” about Husker football in the 90s. A really good look into the culture under Osborne.
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:54 pm to CrabInMyShoeMouth
Fleck is an example of a nice, slow build. He can't go get too many blue chips. Occasionally his staff will identify a Rashod Bateman type, who they beat Kirby for when UGA came in late, but more often than not they're looking for kids that would be the 3rd or 4th choice for Bama, LSU, Georgia, A&M, Florida, etc. They're trying to pry a kid away a 2nd option kid from Tennessee or Arkansas, or getting under developed Chicago kids.
That's the template up there. They got linemen. They will ALWAYS have linemen, especially OL.
And as bad as the Bowling Green loss was for Minnesota, that was I believe his only OOC loss at MN. Or at least in 3 or 4 years. Won all the bowls, won all the gimmes except 1. And if they hadn't fricked up with their OC, who is now fired, they're probably 10-2 this year with the other embarrassing Illinois loss also due to horrible tame playcalling.
Minnesota's close. Wisconsin is Wisconsin. Iowa still won 10 games this year. Nebraska is meanwhile losing everything when it gets close, because they're soft. Those other teams are low talent but fricking mean. They want to grind you to dust, as several bowl opponents have found out.
Nebraska needs their edge back. Those teams are low talent, high edge. And that's why I think one of them is more likely to break through and become relevant. Minnesota actually being the one I think has the chance, since Fleck is just more dynamic than the other coaches.
That's the template up there. They got linemen. They will ALWAYS have linemen, especially OL.
And as bad as the Bowling Green loss was for Minnesota, that was I believe his only OOC loss at MN. Or at least in 3 or 4 years. Won all the bowls, won all the gimmes except 1. And if they hadn't fricked up with their OC, who is now fired, they're probably 10-2 this year with the other embarrassing Illinois loss also due to horrible tame playcalling.
Minnesota's close. Wisconsin is Wisconsin. Iowa still won 10 games this year. Nebraska is meanwhile losing everything when it gets close, because they're soft. Those other teams are low talent but fricking mean. They want to grind you to dust, as several bowl opponents have found out.
Nebraska needs their edge back. Those teams are low talent, high edge. And that's why I think one of them is more likely to break through and become relevant. Minnesota actually being the one I think has the chance, since Fleck is just more dynamic than the other coaches.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 12:23 am
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:55 pm to DyeHardDylan
I think they need to give this dude more time. Not even trolling I think giving this guy stability for their program would be a good thing.
If Michigan fires Harbaugh last year they don't make the Playoffs, win the Big Ten, or knock off Ohio State.
They might be 3-9 or whatever last year but if you look at their results they never gave up and we're actually in every game. Could definitely see that team improving big time next year.
If Michigan fires Harbaugh last year they don't make the Playoffs, win the Big Ten, or knock off Ohio State.
They might be 3-9 or whatever last year but if you look at their results they never gave up and we're actually in every game. Could definitely see that team improving big time next year.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 11:58 pm to Gunga Din
I mean if creatine actually was the thing, I bow to your knowledge. But my high school gym had barrels of the shite sitting around and we never looked like Grant Wistrom.
That being said, I heard they just beat the tests and were generally geared out pretty hard. I'd heard HGH but that's like fourth hand.
Willing to be wrong. Whatever the case, they had early systemic advantages with their walk on program, partial qualifier admittance and whatever was working in their S&C.
That being said, I heard they just beat the tests and were generally geared out pretty hard. I'd heard HGH but that's like fourth hand.
Willing to be wrong. Whatever the case, they had early systemic advantages with their walk on program, partial qualifier admittance and whatever was working in their S&C.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 12:08 am
Posted on 12/8/21 at 12:06 am to The Winner
I agree completely that keeping Frost was the right decision. They aren't going to find a better coach. He's fine. He just needs to trim fat and make them fricking grimy again.
Trev around might help.
Trev around might help.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 12:14 am to NEOJoe
All the other players in the B1G west are heavy on OL recruiting. You legit can't win in that division if you don't have a DL ready to handle an OL that's probably averaging 320 across the board. It's the last bastion of big, grindy, slam you in the face ball.
And it works, because that's what they have. Huge arse dudes that, after 2 or 3 years in S&C are all 6'6" barefoot and 320. Iowa's actually been a little light weight
That's the natural resource up norf. Huge mother frickers. Anyone not taking advantage of them and trying to be the best developer of them is the one falling behind and, while Braska seems "bigger" they still looked pretty small compared to what Fleck and Chryst are running out.
And it works, because that's what they have. Huge arse dudes that, after 2 or 3 years in S&C are all 6'6" barefoot and 320. Iowa's actually been a little light weight
That's the natural resource up norf. Huge mother frickers. Anyone not taking advantage of them and trying to be the best developer of them is the one falling behind and, while Braska seems "bigger" they still looked pretty small compared to what Fleck and Chryst are running out.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 12:29 am to DyeHardDylan
The sport would be better if they were good again.
One of my biggest sports regrets is being too young in the early and mid-90s and not getting to watch those teams.
The 1993-1997 run was sickening. 3 championships, 60-3 record, 28.2 average scoring margin in those 63 games.
One of my biggest sports regrets is being too young in the early and mid-90s and not getting to watch those teams.
The 1993-1997 run was sickening. 3 championships, 60-3 record, 28.2 average scoring margin in those 63 games.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 12:33 am
Posted on 12/8/21 at 12:40 am to whowasbert
We still shut their arse out. One of the best days of my life.
David Boston and Joe Germaine can frick off though.
David Boston and Joe Germaine can frick off though.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 12:41 am
Posted on 12/8/21 at 12:42 am to RAB
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Nebraska fans are the most loyal in the world and tend to be very classy. I feel bad for them to have to endure this year after year
They really are. My ex’s family is from Nebraska and they watch and go to games whether Nebraska’s 1-10 or 10-1. Stadium stays packed year in and year out. I think it’s just an incredibly hard place to recruit the type of players you need to sustain success in this day and age. Nebraska is miserable. The people are strange, the winters are horrible, there’s nothing to do, there’s no damn trees. My ex has been living back there since March and all she talks about is moving back south.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 12:57 am to ColdTurkey
Nebraska's fans are amazing. Especially while they're kinda humble. They show up, they're extremely courteous, they aren't shite talking you much.
They deserve better. Nebraska football is all they've got for things to pull for, I guess besides the NFL fans that pull for KC or, heaven forbid, the Vikings.
That being said, it's not THAT bad. It's just empty and flat. The mosquitoes aren't as bad down there though, so they got that going for them.
They deserve better. Nebraska football is all they've got for things to pull for, I guess besides the NFL fans that pull for KC or, heaven forbid, the Vikings.
That being said, it's not THAT bad. It's just empty and flat. The mosquitoes aren't as bad down there though, so they got that going for them.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 1:00 am
Posted on 12/8/21 at 1:02 am to wablty
If Iowa next door can be competitive and make the big ten championship game, Nebraska dang sure should be able to. I don't buy the recruiting/location arguments.
Frost is being given a very long leash because of obvious reasons. If the hot candidate with strong Nebraska ties can't get it going, where would they go from there?
Frost is being given a very long leash because of obvious reasons. If the hot candidate with strong Nebraska ties can't get it going, where would they go from there?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 1:06 am to Chad4Bama
Frost has a long leash because he is probably a good coach in a bad position that was "too nice". His leash is down to a choke chain now. He'll win or get fired next year.
Nebraska's problem isn't talent. They have more talent than their B1G west competitors. They should recruit BETTER than Iowa and, IIRC, they have. I'd be shocked if they didn't have the most 4/5 stars in the B1G West.
The problem is development. "Grimy" isn't a great description, but teams that are figuring shite and winning games despite their flaws tend to be "grimy". UGA is grimy. Cincinnati is grimy. The other schools in the B1G west, despite low talent, are generally "grimy" and mean. The development at Nebraska sucks because they're soft, and are playing teams that are low talent but very physically powerful. They seem close though. It wouldn't be surprising if they figured shite out next year.
tldr: Nebraska has forgotten where its big boy pants are, and meanwhile other schools with comparable or more size are punking them. They aren't the biggest or strongest among their West peers without their national clout. They probably have the most paper talent, but paper talent and ratings don't fix punched in the mouth. It's why Wisconsin or MN or Iowa would probably grind the frick out of, say, Ole Miss or Auburn.
Nebraska has no local recruiting base that matters in the current structure. They rely on bringing talent in from outside, but the ones coming in aren't standing up to the requirements, and Frost is losing his mind about why they can't figure it out.
They should have cut 20 or 30 people when he got there just to prove a point. He was nice. Him not being ruthless probably doomed the Frost Regime.
Nebraska's problem isn't talent. They have more talent than their B1G west competitors. They should recruit BETTER than Iowa and, IIRC, they have. I'd be shocked if they didn't have the most 4/5 stars in the B1G West.
The problem is development. "Grimy" isn't a great description, but teams that are figuring shite and winning games despite their flaws tend to be "grimy". UGA is grimy. Cincinnati is grimy. The other schools in the B1G west, despite low talent, are generally "grimy" and mean. The development at Nebraska sucks because they're soft, and are playing teams that are low talent but very physically powerful. They seem close though. It wouldn't be surprising if they figured shite out next year.
tldr: Nebraska has forgotten where its big boy pants are, and meanwhile other schools with comparable or more size are punking them. They aren't the biggest or strongest among their West peers without their national clout. They probably have the most paper talent, but paper talent and ratings don't fix punched in the mouth. It's why Wisconsin or MN or Iowa would probably grind the frick out of, say, Ole Miss or Auburn.
Nebraska has no local recruiting base that matters in the current structure. They rely on bringing talent in from outside, but the ones coming in aren't standing up to the requirements, and Frost is losing his mind about why they can't figure it out.
They should have cut 20 or 30 people when he got there just to prove a point. He was nice. Him not being ruthless probably doomed the Frost Regime.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 1:26 am
Posted on 12/8/21 at 1:35 am to DyeHardDylan
They showed signs of life this season. Keeping Frost will be rewarded next year.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 1:37 am to OleManDixon
teams pass now and they left the big 12. that was really really really dumb. they are gone forever
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:46 am to DyeHardDylan
He's still the coach b/c he's a good guy who loves NU, wants to be there, and took a huge paycut and reduction in his buyout clause if they fire him.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:07 am to Dr RC
Let's see how Frost does without Martinez. Sometimes a QB change is exactly what the doctor ordered.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:20 am to Prof
Just don't like Frost's brand of football. Spread offenses is a choice but that weak LOS play is getting them killed. Frost is just not a hard-nosed guy and his teams reflect that style of play. Not gonna work.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:24 am to DyeHardDylan
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The Devaney and Osborne years fielded some of the best teams in college football history. They were probably the closest thing to an Alabama-level dynasty and now Frost gets another year after just 15 wins in 4 seasons.
They were taking Missouri best high school recruits. Now Mizzou is taking Nebraska best recruits! Payback!
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