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re: Ha Ha received money from asst strength coach
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:05 pm to TTsTowel
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:05 pm to TTsTowel
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How could a coach paying a player, during the summer, not result in game forfeits for the games he played in thus far this season (assuming the money hasn't been paid back)?
I think it will come down to how the NCAA thinks Alabama has handled the whole thing. If what NYC suggests is true (that this came to light as a result of our investigating the Luther Davis thing), and Alabama handled it swiftly, and correctly, then they won't make Bama vacate or forfeit any games. That's just my guess.
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Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:06 pm to CrimsonCoast
This seems to belong in this thread: NCAA Compliance Expert says "Not that serious."
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:06 pm to Legend13
Bama-Legacy of Cheating Part 43
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:06 pm to Legend13
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Ha Ha was not ineligible while he was playing those games.
I dont think you understand how violations work
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:06 pm to partsman103
To be fair, the article states Dix provided bank records that showed a withdrawal that Dix claims he used to pay the coach back.
I have no reason not to believe him, but the bank records evidence isn't as solid as some are believing.
I have no reason not to believe him, but the bank records evidence isn't as solid as some are believing.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:07 pm to CrimsonCoast
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I think it will come down to how the NCAA thinks Alabama has handled the whole thing. If what NYC suggests is true (that this came to light as a result of our investigating the Luther Davis thing), and Alabama handled it swiftly, and correctly, then they won't make Bama vacate or forfeit any games. That's just my hope.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:07 pm to WDE24
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How do you think this minor infraction was brought to light? Seems strange that anyone ever found out about it.
Smoke screen. Saban trying to throw the NCAA a bone and distract them from the real payments.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:08 pm to lsufball19
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i think Alabama is fine. They could make them vacate the first 4 games from this year, but doubt it. The worst thing I could see happening to them is losing a couple scholarships. The only real question in my mind in this whole thing is what effect this has on HaHa. The coach surely will not be back.
I'd frankly much rather get docked 3 scholarships than have to vacate the first 4 games. IF (and I stress IF) Dix paid it back before the season then it really depends on how badly the NCAA wants to act. If they really want to act I guess they could somehow fault Alabama for not finding it and clearing it up before the season even though everything happened as it would if it had been found out before the season. I could see Alabama having to vacate the 4 wins in that case.
Although it would royally suck, I'm also to the point where I say we throw the NCAA a bone by giving up 3 or 4 schollies and banning ourselves from postseason play and therefore ending the 3 peat possibility if they'll sign off and leave everything at that. In other words, don't nitpick on any of the Fluker stuff if we sacrifice this season. I'm just sick of the fact that we constantly trip up and screw up a good thing over stupid crap like textbooks, this crap, and other stuff while other schools seem so much better at keeping any of their stuff from seeing the light of day.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:08 pm to partsman103
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Ithe linked article by the OP, it stated Ha Ha turned over his bank records showing where the money was paid back.
Again, no, that is not what the article says. The article says that there is a bank withdrawal showing the amount HaHa claims to have paid back. It doesn't say it was the full amount loaned and it doesn't say that he provided any type of real verification that the withdrawal went to the coach. All it says is that UA is believing him when he says the withdrawal amount was given to the coach.
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Clinton-Dix has provided bank records to UA athletic compliance department representatives that show a withdrawal in the amount he said he repaid to Harris, The Tuscaloosa News has learned
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:09 pm to TTsTowel
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How could a coach paying a player, during the summer, not result in game forfeits for the games he played in thus far this season (assuming the money hasn't been paid back)?
My best official impersonation: "The University of Alabama Office of Student Athlete Compliance learned yesterday of improprieties involving the amateur status of football player HaSean "Get Money frick Bitches Ride Wit Krit" Clinton-Dix. A low level staff member is a snitch, but no one who matters knew nothing. For real. Immediately Mr. GMFBRWK Clinton Dix was deemed ineligible for collegiate athletics. We submit to the NCAA a suspension of three consecutive games, not four, because frick Tennessee.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:09 pm to GEAUXmedic
As long as no one knew about this until this past sunday, bama should be fine. Now I have hard time believing they got all the facts together in just a few days but if that the story and they stick to it, my guess is he is out the rest of October. The NCAA often takes a while to investigate so it could take longer if Bama doesn't hand them the case on a silver platter. Because this was a coach providing the benefits, bama may be hit with additional pennalites. As mentioned, LSU was hit pretty hard for something similar. Self reported and imposed penalties.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:09 pm to Big Lake
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Y'all are already on probation
Did I miss something. When did UA get put on probation?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:09 pm to RollTide1987
Rolltide1987 is scared and trying to convince himself all is ok. Rollololololol
Do yourself a favor, read the article out loud so you really take it all in.
A loan is a loan. By your logic boosters could loan players money before/after the season and all is well.
Being undefeated with an ineligible player taking money from a coach will look great as far as reasons for the NCAA to turn their heads. More sound logic.
Also, nothing says Harris showed records of receiving repayment. Just haha claimed to repay it.
If haha needed money, where would he suddenly get the cash to repay his debts. I can only assume....
Do yourself a favor, read the article out loud so you really take it all in.
A loan is a loan. By your logic boosters could loan players money before/after the season and all is well.
Being undefeated with an ineligible player taking money from a coach will look great as far as reasons for the NCAA to turn their heads. More sound logic.
Also, nothing says Harris showed records of receiving repayment. Just haha claimed to repay it.
If haha needed money, where would he suddenly get the cash to repay his debts. I can only assume....
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:09 pm to Govt Tide
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I'd frankly much rather get docked 3 scholarships than have to vacate the first 4 games. IF (and I stress IF) Dix paid it back before the season then it really depends on how badly the NCAA wants to act. If they really want to act I guess they could somehow fault Alabama for not finding it and clearing it up before the season even though everything happened as it would if it had been found out before the season. I could see Alabama having to vacate the 4 wins in that case.
Although it would royally suck, I'm also to the point where I say we throw the NCAA a bone by giving up 3 or 4 schollies and banning ourselves from postseason play and therefore ending the 3 peat possibility if they'll sign off and leave everything at that. In other words, don't nitpick on any of the Fluker stuff if we sacrifice this season. I'm just sick of the fact that we constantly trip up and screw up a good thing over stupid crap like textbooks, this crap, and other stuff while other schools seem so much better at keeping any of their stuff from seeing the light of day.
Just like y'all didn't want anyone to "nitpick" on Cameron Newton?
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:10 pm to Govt Tide
I just don't see much coming out of this. Like many posters have said probably another couple game suspensions, a coach suspended indefinitely or fired. Bama seems to have done all the right things here. JMO
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:10 pm to GEAUXmedic
Why didn't he have a job over the summer? 500 bucks isn't a lot of money! A week or so of hard work would get you that. And maybe he needed it right then. Why would he all of a sudden in an emergency need 500 bucks and why would he go to this guy for it. Has he given money to other players? I think there's more to this then coach let me borrow 500!
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:10 pm to Govt Tide
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while other schools seem so much better at keeping any of their stuff from seeing the light of day.
Well most schools are trying to keep some things here and there from seeing the light of day.
At bama it is like trying to coverup a fricking billion things at once.
Sorta tough.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:12 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I don't see how a player getting money from a coach whether he paid it back or not still wouldn't be considered extra benefits. The NCAA just makes them pay it back as part of their punishment. A coach still knew this happened and didn't report it and that is what gets other schools in trouble.
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:12 pm to asphinctersayswhat
I don't really care how this turns out, I don't see it as an advantage for any other team, but I don't see how the CLAIM that he repaid the money,or the amount of money loaned/given makes this violation excusable, or less of a violation according to the rule.
The idea that this was a small loan to 1 player is laughable, if he did it for 1 player, there is a good chance he did it for others. A little digging could probably uncover that this is no isolated incident.
Add this to the Fluker scandal gives credence to a full scale investigation.
That being said, I doubt there will be any penalty.The recent talk of how unfair it is not to compensate players has the NCAA hesitant to punish severely. All is well with Alabama.
The idea that this was a small loan to 1 player is laughable, if he did it for 1 player, there is a good chance he did it for others. A little digging could probably uncover that this is no isolated incident.
Add this to the Fluker scandal gives credence to a full scale investigation.
That being said, I doubt there will be any penalty.The recent talk of how unfair it is not to compensate players has the NCAA hesitant to punish severely. All is well with Alabama.
Posted on 10/3/13 at 4:13 pm to Govt Tide
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Although it would royally suck, I'm also to the point where I say we throw the NCAA a bone by giving up 3 or 4 schollies and banning ourselves from postseason play and therefore ending the 3 peat possibility if they'll sign off and leave everything at that.
Yeah, right. We won't do it again, so leave us alone. Why would you mind the NCAA investigating your program if it's as upstanding as you all have people to believe? We hosted them 13 months. Could bammer do the same and come out clean?
This post was edited on 10/3/13 at 4:14 pm
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