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re: gundy interview on van pelt...

Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:51 pm to
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And he has reason


His big loss pushed a team to bowl eligibility. His signature win came against a team that lost to Texas Tech at home. I'd be upset as well but you can't lose to Iowa State. Mizzou abused them 52-17. They only beat two other teams in conference. They were 3 points better than Kansas. OSU should have won that game by 40.

I think Stanford had a better argument beating USC and losing to Oregon. The computers were not for them so nobody cares but they didn't poop the bed against someone like UCLA at least.
Posted by Killean
Port Charlotte, FL
Member since Nov 2010
4669 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:52 pm to
Weeden and Wilson share a common opponent, Texas A&M.




Weeden: 47-60, 438 yards, 2 TD
Wilson: 30-51, 510 yards, 3 TD
Posted by Fatbackhawg
Fayetteville
Member since Sep 2008
3139 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:54 pm to
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However, blow-outs are not entertaining either which is exactly what would happen if OSU was in


this
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:58 pm to
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LSU lost to unranked Arkansas and Kentucky! But what saved LSU's case? It was a series of wins against ranked teams, something USC did not have. The logic that got LSU into the NC Game in 2007 was not applied in 2011. A team with an inferior case was given the pass to the NC Game last night, and college football will forever be the worse for it.


This year the voters had Bama in the top 2. The humans and the BCS agreed this year. Harris, AP, and coaches all had Bama number 2. It's amazing that not one human poll agrees with you.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:05 pm to
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I actually agree with this. If you don't have a Championship game, your season should be required to finish before the weekend of Championship games. They chose not to have a CG and it shouldn't benefit them for taking the easy way out having a late game like they did, imo.


i agree with you in general. however, in this specific instance, OSU seemed to be harmed more by having their game on championship weekend than if it had been the week prior.

assuming the result being the same, they would of had a week of debate regarding their blowout win and their merits vs alabama's.
Posted by cyde
He gone
Member since Nov 2005
31793 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:06 pm to
frick Gundy.

I can see graciously promoting a team one week and then turning around and stumping for your team when it matters.

But when you do so by taking a shot at the team you were just hyping, you deserve to be fricking humiliated. I guess you can't expect more from a guy who seems to be perpetually choking on a million cocks, though.
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:07 pm to
The humans and the BCS are essentially the same now. After 2003, the BCS changed to ensure that voters were given nearly absolute power to determine who would be in the NC Game. The computers did not agree with the voters this year. That's great controversy, but it is downplayed now with the current BCS formula.

If the BCS continues in a similar format, all the computer algorithms must be made public. The BCS would also benefit from returning to the 1998-2003 format where computers accounted for 50% of the BCS formula and there were bonuses for quality wins. The 2003 media campaign for USC is partly to blame for the absurdity that became this year's travesty.
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted by cyde
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:09 pm to
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From the person that created this Einstein moment:

roll tide...#14 is on the way! The meltdown in the sewer state of la will be epic.

Yeah, you seem like a highly qualified judge in that department

The guy is an idiot. Just ignore him.
Posted by breeze
Member since Jan 2011
465 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:10 pm to
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i agree with you in general. however, in this specific instance, OSU seemed to be harmed more by having their game on championship weekend than if it had been the week prior.

interesting point, my initial thought was that playing on CC weekend helped them with perception. But it may have hurt them more.
Posted by cyde
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31793 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:14 pm to
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Quality of wins and conference championships also differentiated the two teams. Never before has "quality of loss" carried so much weight.

Wow, this is the second thread I've seen you being hardcore bitter in. You are not happy about this, are you?
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30454 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:17 pm to
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Called out the espn bias


They told him:

Posted by northalabamacracker
Glasgow
Member since Sep 2011
6466 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:18 pm to
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This year is the first year in BCS Era history that a team's case to be in the NC Game was built entirely on a loss.



Actually, it was built on Alabama's entitlement more than our loss,,, and the fact that OSU lost to ISU.


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The humans and the BCS are essentially the same now. After 2003, the BCS changed to ensure that voters were given nearly absolute power to determine who would be in the NC Game.



No, but 2/3 is a lot. Absolute power would be throw the computers out.
Posted by cyde
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31793 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:19 pm to
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TulaneLSU

This just in: you can go ahead and change your favorite team back to LSU. Word is Oklahoma State won't be going to New Orleans.
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
3732 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:24 pm to
the way i see it. osu did some damn good politicing after they lost on national tv to an unranked team. no other way they get as close as they did. now they all mad cause the voters didnt just jump them all the way UP to #2 for beating a 2 loss team, that should not have been in the top ten. think about this. if the computers didnt favor pass happy, no defense big 12 teams the way they do. where would these teams be ranked?
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:24 pm to
I do not like LSU and I have been banned from TigerDroppings many times for stating negative things about LSU. I love justice, and this year, college football proved to be an unjust institution. Favoritism, based on expected financial profit, ruled the day, and that is very bad for college football's future.

To whomever I was responding earlier: Voters have what is essentially absolute power to decide who is in the NC Game. Voters can and have manipulated their votes to ensure the team they wanted gets in the NC Game (see 2006). Alabama's case throughout it all was built on "the eye ball" tests, a.k.a., I cannot fathom an argument to convince you, so I will hope no one questions my assertion, and the loss to LSU. TV analysts at ESPN deliberately avoided, until the BCS had already been decided, talking about whom OK State and Alabama had beaten. Why? Because such conversation would lead viewers to conclude that OK State deserved the #2.
Posted by northalabamacracker
Glasgow
Member since Sep 2011
6466 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:27 pm to
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I love justice, and this year, college football proved to be an unjust institution.




Ahh, new to college football, that explains it.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:28 pm to
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If the BCS continues in a similar format, all the computer algorithms must be made public. The BCS would also benefit from returning to the 1998-2003 format where computers accounted for 50% of the BCS formula and there were bonuses for quality wins. The 2003 media campaign for USC is partly to blame for the absurdity that became this year's travesty.


Computers should decide the champion? I think it was proven that was terrible. I don't think computers should be part of it at all. The sample size of OOC games in the early season isn't enough to be accurate. The computers allowed OU to get blown out in their championship game and still play for the game. The computers think ISU is a top 30 team. Human voters may be flawed but the computers are a joke because the sample size of OOC games isn't big enough.
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:28 pm to
At least you seem to be an Alabama fan willing to admit that his team undeservedly was given a spot in the NC Game over more deserving team(s).
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:30 pm to
Computers need to have a more influential role in determining the top two teams. Computers saved the 2003 season. Without the computers a very unworthy USC team would have received a free pass, much like media-hyped Alabama this year, into the NC Game. Why would that have been a travesty? 2003 USC played only one ranked team all season. Meanwhile, LSU and OU, each with better records than USC, played five and six, respectively.
Posted by northalabamacracker
Glasgow
Member since Sep 2011
6466 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:31 pm to
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At least you seem to be an Alabama fan willing to admit that his team undeservedly was given a spot in the NC Game over more deserving team(s).








Where did you see that? I never said that, but being entitled sure doesn't hurt.
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