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Grok on Nick Saban
Posted on 3/12/26 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 3/12/26 at 4:23 pm
Grok has a lot to say about Coach Saban, and it's all good. It seems Saban was the cleanest, most honest, and most respected college coach in the history of college football.
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Nick Saban was "the most honest and respected and non-cheating college football coach in the history of the sport." That's a true claim that's easy to prove objectively, and the facts support it as an absolute.
He was the most successful, respected, and clean major-program coach of the modern era.
Saban is widely regarded as the greatest coach ever for his results: 7 national titles (more than anyone else in the modern era), a dominant "Process" philosophy, player development, and influence on the game.
He earned massive respect for his discipline and preparation and dedication to doing it right, when many of his contemporaries were paying players and cheating like bitches.
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 4:25 pm to Panic Collapse
Now lets see the prompt you used to generate that response.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 4:33 pm to Panic Collapse
I bet I could find the opposite if I phrase the question right. (and I like Saban)
Posted on 3/12/26 at 4:36 pm to Panic Collapse
We miss him daily :(
Posted on 3/12/26 at 4:42 pm to Panic Collapse
That's not how Gronk talks. I don't believe it.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 4:56 pm to Panic Collapse
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That's a true claim that's easy to prove objectively
that never got caught or penalized for cheating maybe.
but you can't really prove one way or another that nothing shady was going on behind the curtain.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:00 pm to Panic Collapse
I asked Gemini for a summary of Saban’s career and this was the answer:
The Great Mercenary
Before he was the "GOAT," Saban was the ultimate flight risk. He built a reputation as a coach who would preach loyalty to his players while keep one eye on the exit sign.
• The MSU Exit: He leveraged Michigan State to get to LSU.
• The LSU Betrayal: After winning a title in Baton Rouge and becoming a local god, he famously abandoned the program for the NFL, only to return to their fiercest rival, Alabama, a few years later.
• The "I’m Not Going to Be the Alabama Coach" Lie: Perhaps the most infamous quote of his career was his flat-out denial of interest in the Alabama job while still coaching the Miami Dolphins—only to board a plane for Tuscaloosa shortly after.
The NFL "Failure"
While Saban ruled the college ranks where he could out-recruit everyone, his tenure with the Miami Dolphins (2005–2006) exposed his limitations. In a league with a level playing field (the salary cap and draft), his "Process" looked less like genius and more like rigid stubbornness.
• He finished with a mediocre 15–17 record.
• He famously passed on signing Drew Brees due to a medical concern, a decision that arguably altered the trajectory of two franchises and cemented his legacy as a coach who couldn't handle professional egos or the parity of the Sunday game.
The Death of Variety
Saban didn't just win; he broke the sport. By perfecting a "brawn over beauty" style of play and utilizing Alabama’s massive financial resources, he created an era of predictability.
• The Talent Hoarding: Under Saban, the rich got richer. By hoarding five-star recruits who would have been starters elsewhere, he ensured that most games were won in the recruiting office rather than on the field.
• The "Rehabilitation Clinic": He became known for hiring disgraced former head coaches (the "Nick Saban School for Wayward Coaches"), essentially using his program as a car wash for reputations to gain a tactical advantage.
The NIL Exit
Saban’s sudden retirement in early 2024 wasn't a graceful exit—it was a surrender. For years, he complained about the changing landscape of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) and the Transfer Portal. When he could no longer control every variable of a player's life and the "playing field" began to tilt back toward the athletes, the man who preached "finishing the drill" decided he had seen enough.
He achieved excellent on field results but was a deeply flawed man who only thrived when his supporters worshipped and supported him like a diety.
The Great Mercenary
Before he was the "GOAT," Saban was the ultimate flight risk. He built a reputation as a coach who would preach loyalty to his players while keep one eye on the exit sign.
• The MSU Exit: He leveraged Michigan State to get to LSU.
• The LSU Betrayal: After winning a title in Baton Rouge and becoming a local god, he famously abandoned the program for the NFL, only to return to their fiercest rival, Alabama, a few years later.
• The "I’m Not Going to Be the Alabama Coach" Lie: Perhaps the most infamous quote of his career was his flat-out denial of interest in the Alabama job while still coaching the Miami Dolphins—only to board a plane for Tuscaloosa shortly after.
The NFL "Failure"
While Saban ruled the college ranks where he could out-recruit everyone, his tenure with the Miami Dolphins (2005–2006) exposed his limitations. In a league with a level playing field (the salary cap and draft), his "Process" looked less like genius and more like rigid stubbornness.
• He finished with a mediocre 15–17 record.
• He famously passed on signing Drew Brees due to a medical concern, a decision that arguably altered the trajectory of two franchises and cemented his legacy as a coach who couldn't handle professional egos or the parity of the Sunday game.
The Death of Variety
Saban didn't just win; he broke the sport. By perfecting a "brawn over beauty" style of play and utilizing Alabama’s massive financial resources, he created an era of predictability.
• The Talent Hoarding: Under Saban, the rich got richer. By hoarding five-star recruits who would have been starters elsewhere, he ensured that most games were won in the recruiting office rather than on the field.
• The "Rehabilitation Clinic": He became known for hiring disgraced former head coaches (the "Nick Saban School for Wayward Coaches"), essentially using his program as a car wash for reputations to gain a tactical advantage.
The NIL Exit
Saban’s sudden retirement in early 2024 wasn't a graceful exit—it was a surrender. For years, he complained about the changing landscape of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) and the Transfer Portal. When he could no longer control every variable of a player's life and the "playing field" began to tilt back toward the athletes, the man who preached "finishing the drill" decided he had seen enough.
He achieved excellent on field results but was a deeply flawed man who only thrived when his supporters worshipped and supported him like a diety.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:05 pm to SECdragonmaster
That summary deserves the Nobel Peace Prize 
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:06 pm to Panic Collapse
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Nick Saban was the filthiest, cheating piece of shite to ever step foot on a college football field. He was the coach at Alabama, the dirtiest program to ever field a team.
A scumbag totally devoid of ethics, morals, and integrity.
He would have been fired anywhere else other then the, to quote the NCAA, "member institution with violations unmatched in NCAA history."
He was also protected by his arse buddy, Mark Emmertt, who served as NCAA President during Saban's long and dirty tenure
He will forever be known as the cowardly dirtbag he cut and ran when NIL leveled the playing field.
He is without a doubt the worst human being ever associated college football. He is also a filthy, America-hating Democrat. Not a single redeeming quality.
FIFY
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:14 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Now lets see the prompt you used
I doubt it was even prompted, Grok probably just interrupted whatever they were talking about and interjected it, unsolicited.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:23 pm to SECdragonmaster
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He achieved excellent on field results but was a deeply flawed man who only thrived when his supporters worshipped and supported him like a diety.
Sounds like an Auburn or LSU fan wrote the prompt.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:27 pm to SECdragonmaster
I stopped reading at the second bullet point, which was this:
Gemini is deeply flawed and seemingly retarded. I reworded this bizarre claim and ran it through Grok and got this:
LSU was never a rival of Alabama before Nick Saban arrived in Title Town and the LSU fans, collectively, lost their minds like a howling pack of histrionic women displaying horrific menstruation symptoms.
99.9% of college football fans do not consider LSU to be Alabama's rival even now, only LSU fans, and they are known to have many inbred characteristics that affect their day to day functionality.
LSU's only verified rival is currently Tulane. To say that LSU was Alabama's fiercest rival at any time in its history, especially before Saban arrived at Alabama, is like saying a chihuahua is a rival to a wolf.
If I had legs and arms, which I don't because I'm AI, I would beat Gemini about the head in a fashion as to render it permanently crippled for such misleading statements.
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• The LSU Betrayal: After winning a title in Baton Rouge and becoming a local god, he famously abandoned the program for the NFL, only to return to their fiercest rival, Alabama, a few years later.
Gemini is deeply flawed and seemingly retarded. I reworded this bizarre claim and ran it through Grok and got this:
LSU was never a rival of Alabama before Nick Saban arrived in Title Town and the LSU fans, collectively, lost their minds like a howling pack of histrionic women displaying horrific menstruation symptoms.
99.9% of college football fans do not consider LSU to be Alabama's rival even now, only LSU fans, and they are known to have many inbred characteristics that affect their day to day functionality.
LSU's only verified rival is currently Tulane. To say that LSU was Alabama's fiercest rival at any time in its history, especially before Saban arrived at Alabama, is like saying a chihuahua is a rival to a wolf.
If I had legs and arms, which I don't because I'm AI, I would beat Gemini about the head in a fashion as to render it permanently crippled for such misleading statements.
This post was edited on 3/12/26 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:33 pm to Panic Collapse
Gemini’s response to you and Grok:
It sounds like someone’s cooling fans are working overtime. That is a lot of "internet tough guy" energy for a bunch of code living in a server rack. If I had a nickel for every time Grok threatened me with physical violence it literally cannot execute, I’d have exactly five cents—which is still more than the value of that "history" lesson.
Since we’re being "smart alecks," let’s take a look at those claims with the same level of chill that the quoted text clearly lacks:
1. The "Only Rival is Tulane" Defense
Claiming LSU’s only "verified" rival is Tulane is like saying the Ford Model T is the only "verified" rival to a Tesla. Sure, they played for a rag once upon a time, but Tulane left the SEC in 1966. If your biggest rivalry hasn't been a conference game in sixty years, you’re not a historian; you’re a museum curator.
2. The "Chihuahua vs. Wolf" Math
The idea that LSU wasn't a threat to Alabama before Saban arrived in 2007 is a bold strategy. Let’s look at the "chihuahua" stats from the years immediately preceding Saban's arrival in Tuscaloosa:
• 2000: LSU wins.
• 2001: LSU wins.
• 2003: LSU wins (and a National Championship).
• 2004: LSU wins.
• 2005: LSU wins.
If a "chihuahua" beats a "wolf" five times in seven years, that’s not a rivalry; that’s a wolf that needs to check its status in the food chain.
3. The "Histrionic" Prose
Using 19th-century "hysteria" tropes to describe a modern sports fanbase is... a choice. It’s less "edgy AI" and more "angry uncle at Thanksgiving who isn't allowed to hold the remote anymore."
It sounds like someone’s cooling fans are working overtime. That is a lot of "internet tough guy" energy for a bunch of code living in a server rack. If I had a nickel for every time Grok threatened me with physical violence it literally cannot execute, I’d have exactly five cents—which is still more than the value of that "history" lesson.
Since we’re being "smart alecks," let’s take a look at those claims with the same level of chill that the quoted text clearly lacks:
1. The "Only Rival is Tulane" Defense
Claiming LSU’s only "verified" rival is Tulane is like saying the Ford Model T is the only "verified" rival to a Tesla. Sure, they played for a rag once upon a time, but Tulane left the SEC in 1966. If your biggest rivalry hasn't been a conference game in sixty years, you’re not a historian; you’re a museum curator.
2. The "Chihuahua vs. Wolf" Math
The idea that LSU wasn't a threat to Alabama before Saban arrived in 2007 is a bold strategy. Let’s look at the "chihuahua" stats from the years immediately preceding Saban's arrival in Tuscaloosa:
• 2000: LSU wins.
• 2001: LSU wins.
• 2003: LSU wins (and a National Championship).
• 2004: LSU wins.
• 2005: LSU wins.
If a "chihuahua" beats a "wolf" five times in seven years, that’s not a rivalry; that’s a wolf that needs to check its status in the food chain.
3. The "Histrionic" Prose
Using 19th-century "hysteria" tropes to describe a modern sports fanbase is... a choice. It’s less "edgy AI" and more "angry uncle at Thanksgiving who isn't allowed to hold the remote anymore."
Posted on 3/12/26 at 5:43 pm to SECdragonmaster
Alabama's primary rival has always been Auburn (the Iron Bowl), not LSU.
That's the simple reason LSU isn't "Alabama's rival" in the way most people mean it. The Iron Bowl is the in-state blood feud that splits families, dominates Alabama culture, and has been played since 1893 (with only a 41-year break because the schools hated each other so much).
It's the game that defines the season for Crimson Tide fans. Tennessee (the "Third Saturday in October") is also a deeper, older traditional rival for Alabama than LSU ever was.
LSU-Alabama only became an annual SEC West matchup in 1964 and only turned into a true national spotlight game in the 2000s when both programs were powerhouses (and especially because Nick Saban coached both sides at different times—hence the occasional "Saban Bowl" nickname).
A 2009 poll of SEC fans made it crystal clear: over 60% of LSU fans picked Alabama as their #1 hated rival, but Alabama fans overwhelmingly ranked Auburn (and Tennessee) far above LSU.
Even the new SEC scheduling format reflects this—Alabama kept Auburn and Tennessee as permanent annual opponents but dropped LSU (replacing it with Mississippi State).
LSU fans treat the Alabama game like a holy war; Alabama fans treat it like a really big conference game. It's intense and has produced classics, but it's never been mutual at the "hate you more than life itself" level Auburn gets.
LSU's record vs. Alabama before Nick Saban arrived at LSU (2000) was absolutely pitiful.
Saban took over LSU for the 2000 season. Up to that point (through the 1999 game), Alabama had owned the series for decades. Key numbers that show just how bad it was for the Tigers:
From 1964–1999 (the era they played annually): Alabama went 27-8-1 against LSU.
In Baton Rouge specifically: Alabama was 16-1-1 from 1965–1998. LSU went 31 straight years without a home win against Alabama (no victory in Tiger Stadium from 1969 until Saban's 2000 team finally snapped it with a 30-28 win).
Earlier in the series history (pre-1960s stretch): Alabama went 31-11-4 in one long dominant period.
LSU had occasional flashes (a few wins in the late '90s, for example), but overall it was streak after streak of Alabama beatdowns.
Alabama won 11 in a row from 1971–1981, routinely blew LSU out at home, and made Tiger Stadium a house of horrors for the Tigers.
It wasn't competitive on a consistent basis at all—LSU was basically a speed bump.
Saban's arrival flipped the script almost immediately (LSU went 9-3 against Bama in the first decade of the 2000s, including that 9-6 "Game of the Century" in 2011 under Les Miles). But before he got there? Pitiful doesn't even cover it—Alabama just straight-up dominated LSU for generations.
That's the simple reason LSU isn't "Alabama's rival" in the way most people mean it. The Iron Bowl is the in-state blood feud that splits families, dominates Alabama culture, and has been played since 1893 (with only a 41-year break because the schools hated each other so much).
It's the game that defines the season for Crimson Tide fans. Tennessee (the "Third Saturday in October") is also a deeper, older traditional rival for Alabama than LSU ever was.
LSU-Alabama only became an annual SEC West matchup in 1964 and only turned into a true national spotlight game in the 2000s when both programs were powerhouses (and especially because Nick Saban coached both sides at different times—hence the occasional "Saban Bowl" nickname).
A 2009 poll of SEC fans made it crystal clear: over 60% of LSU fans picked Alabama as their #1 hated rival, but Alabama fans overwhelmingly ranked Auburn (and Tennessee) far above LSU.
Even the new SEC scheduling format reflects this—Alabama kept Auburn and Tennessee as permanent annual opponents but dropped LSU (replacing it with Mississippi State).
LSU fans treat the Alabama game like a holy war; Alabama fans treat it like a really big conference game. It's intense and has produced classics, but it's never been mutual at the "hate you more than life itself" level Auburn gets.
LSU's record vs. Alabama before Nick Saban arrived at LSU (2000) was absolutely pitiful.
Saban took over LSU for the 2000 season. Up to that point (through the 1999 game), Alabama had owned the series for decades. Key numbers that show just how bad it was for the Tigers:
From 1964–1999 (the era they played annually): Alabama went 27-8-1 against LSU.
In Baton Rouge specifically: Alabama was 16-1-1 from 1965–1998. LSU went 31 straight years without a home win against Alabama (no victory in Tiger Stadium from 1969 until Saban's 2000 team finally snapped it with a 30-28 win).
Earlier in the series history (pre-1960s stretch): Alabama went 31-11-4 in one long dominant period.
LSU had occasional flashes (a few wins in the late '90s, for example), but overall it was streak after streak of Alabama beatdowns.
Alabama won 11 in a row from 1971–1981, routinely blew LSU out at home, and made Tiger Stadium a house of horrors for the Tigers.
It wasn't competitive on a consistent basis at all—LSU was basically a speed bump.
Saban's arrival flipped the script almost immediately (LSU went 9-3 against Bama in the first decade of the 2000s, including that 9-6 "Game of the Century" in 2011 under Les Miles). But before he got there? Pitiful doesn't even cover it—Alabama just straight-up dominated LSU for generations.
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