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re: Georgia refuses to play at Kyle Field conspiracy??

Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:57 am to
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:57 am to
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And this is an argument against Georgia ducking good competition historically?


I can make a few arguments about your reading comprehension and if it is historically consistent with Alabama graduates.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 11:57 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:58 am to
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I can make a few arguments about your reading comprehension and if it is historically consistent with Alabama graduates.


I think if you could you would have made them rather than posting this.


Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7628 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:16 pm to
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So Georgia had to find another SEC team to add because you already had a history of not playing SEC teams, while teams like Alabama were playing 8+ every year and still managed to add another SEC team despite not needing them to make the minimum?

And this is an argument against Georgia ducking good competition historically?


UGA had 2 OOC rivalries that they played regularly (about 5-6 games a decade against each) against Clemson and South Carolina. It became 3 when GT left the conference.

The SEC's scheduling guidelines at the time (minimum of 5 games but no limit to SEC opponents) was built to allow teams in this situation the ability to be flexible and keep rivalries going. This is why LSU was able to play tulane every year and played A&M very regularly from WW2 until 1992. This is why UF had similar numbers of SEC games due to having Miami and FSU often OOC.

Bama has never really had an OOC rival... so I understand this is hard for you to fathom. But the rules were written as they were because so many SEC teams DID have OOC rivalries they wanted to keep up. Bama didn't (neither did UT and several other teams), but many did... and that's why you had more conference games.

UGA never ducked Bama... they wanted the series to continue. They were wanting the series to continue, but Bama dropped them for LSU.

So UGA picked up Ole Miss in conference to make up for the lost game and kept playing SC, GT and Clemson regularly because... rivalries.

You really don't understand the history of SEC scheduling, or how scheduling has been done recently with the rotational format starting in 2014. It's best to shut up about something you really don't know anything about.

The facts are Bama dropped UGA, not the reverse. If Bama hadn't, when the SEC went to two permanent cross divsional opponents in 1992, UGA would have had Auburn and Bama, while Bama would have had UGA and Tennessee.

The lack of games between the two teams was entirely caused by Bama choosing to play LSU yearly rather than UGA.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:34 pm to
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quote:


I can make a few arguments about your reading comprehension and if it is historically consistent with Alabama graduates.


I think if you could you would have made them rather than posting this


Why would I?

You can't read! He basically copy/pasted to give you a second crack at it.
Maybe a parent can help you with the second one.
Posted by UnderDog68
Thomasville, Ga.
Member since Sep 2017
2677 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:40 pm to
I don’t think y’all want us coming to Faggie Field as much as you think you do. But by all means, continue on with your so-called conspiracy theory. We’ve only played Ole Miss in Oxford once since 2011, but nobody’s making a big issue over that. Only played once in Tuscaloosa since 2007. Still no BS from Alabama fans. So in short, take these grievances up with the SEC office.
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
15431 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:46 pm to
You didn’t read the article, the conspiracy in the article is the SEC waited to shop this game and ESPN won, based on some conspiracy that came out this week regarding scheduling, and it was written by a Florida sports beat writer complaining how Florida will be going to CS for the 3rd time in 10 years, hence the conspiracy by the Florida guy

But thanks for not reading the article and talking shite bc you decided to guess what this thread was about, article posted on front page
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:47 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39425 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:56 pm to
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the conspiracy in the article is the SEC waited to shop this game and ESPN won


Some conspiracies make sense. This one is batshit
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36929 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:57 pm to
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UGA had 2 OOC rivalries that they played regularly (about 5-6 games a decade against each) against Clemson and South Carolina. It became 3 when GT left the conference.



Yes, you have a history of shitty rivals as well. As was said originally, Georgia has a history of ducking good teams.

quote:


The SEC's scheduling guidelines at the time (minimum of 5 games but no limit to SEC opponents) was built to allow teams in this situation the ability to be flexible and keep rivalries going. This is why LSU was able to play tulane every year and played A&M very regularly from WW2 until 1992. This is why UF had similar numbers of SEC games due to having Miami and FSU often OOC.

Bama has never really had an OOC rival... so I understand this is hard for you to fathom. But the rules were written as they were because so many SEC teams DID have OOC rivalries they wanted to keep up. Bama didn't (neither did UT and several other teams), but many did... and that's why you had more conference games.



Not sure what your point is, you could still have 3 or 4 OOC rival games now if you wanted. All you are saying is the SEC didn't make up 100% of the schedule. Yeah, no shite.

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UGA never ducked Bama... they wanted the series to continue. They were wanting the series to continue, but Bama dropped them for LSU.

So UGA picked up Ole Miss in conference to make up for the lost game and kept playing SC, GT and Clemson regularly because... rivalries.

You really don't understand the history of SEC scheduling, or how scheduling has been done recently with the rotational format starting in 2014. It's best to shut up about something you really don't know anything about.

The facts are Bama dropped UGA, not the reverse. If Bama hadn't, when the SEC went to two permanent cross divsional opponents in 1992, UGA would have had Auburn and Bama, while Bama would have had UGA and Tennessee.

The lack of games between the two teams was entirely caused by Bama choosing to play LSU yearly rather than UGA.


This is all shite you've made up.




Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36929 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:58 pm to
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Why would I?

You can't read! He basically copy/pasted to give you a second crack at it.
Maybe a parent can help you with the second one.


He's just making shite up.

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39425 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:03 pm to
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Georgia has a history of ducking good teams.


quote:

This is all shite you've made up.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36929 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:10 pm to
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Georgia has a history of ducking good teams.


This is all shite you've made up.


Show me the years Georgia faced the better teams in the SEC often, I'll wait.

Alabama beat the shite out of Georgia on a regular basis, and the only reason Alabama would want to stop playing that game is because you weren't a quality opponent. Still, they kept other teams like Vandy on the schedule, so I don't think that is what happened.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
10481 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:10 pm to
Meh, It does seem odd that they've NEVER played.

With that said there's other games. Bama played at South Carolina in 2019 but South Carolina hasn't been to Tuscaloosa since 2009.
Florida hasn't been to Auburn since 2011 but they did play in 2019.
South Car and Florida haven't visited the state of Alabama in a long time but they have played them. UGA not playing A&M at all is a head scratcher.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36929 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:13 pm to
The big bad "rival" games that were so important to Georgia and proof they didn't dodge better teams:

Clemson, where they have a 43-18-4 all time record.
South Carolina: 54-19-2.

Alabama that gets removed: 26-42-4





This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 2:19 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39425 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:13 pm to
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Show me the years Georgia faced the better teams in the SEC often, I'll wait.


You need to prove uga ducked good teams. That is actually relevant to your statement.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:14 pm to
Dlt
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36929 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:18 pm to
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You need to prove uga ducked good teams. That is actually relevant to your statement.


You rarely played against good teams, especially the good SEC teams. That's the proof.

You guys make out like Hershel Walker and 1980 was some big deal. Yet in 3 years he played a total of 6 ranked teams. Never once played against a single ranked SEC team. You won the NC in 1980 and the only ranked team you played was #7 Notre Dame, and that was only because it was a bowl game, not because you scheduled it. In fact, 3 of the 6 ranked teams were only because of the bowl games.

And you can do that for basically any point in your history and it holds true.

So you sure as shite haven't been out there looking for quality opponents.

This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7628 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:19 pm to
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UGA not playing A&M at all is a head scratcher.


UGA played A&M in 2019 in athens. The return trip is in 2024.

UGA played LSU at LSU in 2018. The return trip is in 2025.

There is nothing odd. It's the 12 season schedule for the rotating cross divisional game that started in 2014. In 2014 UGA played Arkansas, then again in 2021 (the 2020 game was a covid fill in game, not part of the schedule). We played Bama in 2015 and again in 2020. We played OM in 2016 and will play them again in 2023. We played MSU in 2017 and will play them this year in 2022. We played LSU in 2018 and will play them again in 2025. We played A&M in 2019 and will play them again in 2024.

This is NORMAL SEC SCHEDULING ROTATION.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39425 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:31 pm to
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You rarely played against good teams, especially the good SEC teams. That's the proof.


That’s not proof of purposely ducking. Maybe it’s a subtle difference, doesn’t matter.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36929 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:48 pm to
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That’s not proof of purposely ducking. Maybe it’s a subtle difference, doesn’t matter.


And I guess someone who is walking down the sidewalk and never steps on a crack could randomly just happen to do that. But the more likely explanation is they are trying not to step on the cracks because they love their momma.

But saying Alabama left that game as the other guy is saying just doesn't really line up. Georgia was running the minimum amount of SEC games. Meanwhile Bear was known to want more SEC games, not less, and generally wanted more quality games.

So this idea that he took Georgia off the schedule doesn't really make sense. It wasn't because Georgia was winning, Georgia hadn't won a game in like 6 or 7 years. And the 1 point win in 1965 was just a bad call, and the game had no effect on the national championship.

When GT left the SEC, they were the ones who refused to play Alabama. In the early 80s, Alabama played GT like 5 or 6 years in a row as soon as GT would accept it. Bear wanted those games badly.

And while Georgia wasn't the biggest quality opponent, we still kept teams like Vandy on the schedule.

So I just don't see where that other guy is even remotely correct in saying Alabama got rid of that game.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7628 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:07 pm to
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You rarely played against good teams, especially the good SEC teams. That's the proof.

You guys make out like Hershel Walker and 1980 was some big deal. Yet in 3 years he played a total of 6 ranked teams. Never once played against a single ranked SEC team. You won the NC in 1980 and the only ranked team you played was #7 Notre Dame, and that was only because it was a bowl game, not because you scheduled it. In fact, 3 of the 6 ranked teams were only because of the bowl games.

And you can do that for basically any point in your history and it holds true.

So you sure as shite haven't been out there looking for quality opponents.


To be honest, you're going all over the place with your arguments.

Here's the reality... the 5 "permanent" games UGA wanted to have after GT and Tulane left the conference in the mid 60's were Bama, Florida, UK, Vandy, Auburn with 1-2 other games rotating among SEC teams.

But Bama dropped UGA for LSU... so instead they had OM, Florida, UK, vandy and Auburn as their permanent games. UGA scheduled games with Bama, LSU, Tennessee and MSU relatively equally.

BAMA ended the series, not UGA. If a team was ducking the game, it was Bama (though in reality they likely felt it benefitted them to look west for recruits rather than east).

OOC, UGA had regular games with SC, Clemson and GT... and for much of that time GT and Clemson at least were often ranked either when the game was played or at season end. UGA also put in regular season games against Pitt (a powerhouse at the time), ranked NCSU and Cal teams, as well as teams that should have been good like A&M, UCLA and UVA.

Then 1992 hit and the conference took over scheduling with divisions. UGA's OOC did suffer during the early part of this period when there were 11 regular season games. Because of UGA/UF being at a neutral site and fans wanting at least 6 home games... both UGA and UF played 3 or 4 conference home games in a year plus their permanent OOC rival (offsetting the year with 3 home games to get to 4). To get to 6 then meant playing teams who would only play in Athens or Gainesville.

This meant the Miami game for UF and Clemson game for UGA went away and there were a lot fewer OOC games against "P5 type" schools. UGA managed a few games like TExas Tech in '93 and '96 (both in Sanford with no return trip)... but for the most part other P5 teams weren't into games like that. We also had a ranked BSU in Athens.

We had 2 years of 12 game schedules in 2002 and 2003... UGA did a home and home with Clemson those years. We permanently went to 12 game schedules in 2006... and UGA reacted by scheduling home and homes with Colorado, Oklahoma State, Arizona STate, ranked BSU in a kickoff classic, a home and home with Clemson, UNC at a kickoff classic, home and home with ND, Kickoff classic with UVA (cancelled for Covid), Kickoff classic with Clemson and a kickoff classic with Oregon. Future schedules included home and homes with Texas and OU (cancelled due to them joining the SEC), FSU, Clemson (2 home and homes), Ohio State, UCLA and NCSU and a single remaining kickoff classic against Clemson in 2026. Along with GT every year... but who knows when they'll get better.

All in all, UGA since the 12 game schedule came out has been among the most aggressive teams at scheduling tougher OOC games (the only part of scheduling under their control). Prior to the 12 game schedule, UGA did have fairly weak schedules OOC when GT was bad from 1992 until then. Prior to the divisional setup in hte SEC, UGA had typical schedules compared to other SEC teams.

They would have had good schedules... but Bama pussed out on them.

As for what UGA was... you're looking largely at Johnny Griffith, possibly the worst coach UGA ever had from 1961-1963. Wally Butts was .500 in his last 2 games and last 6 games against Bama. Vince Dooley was 1-1 in his first two games before Bama dropped UGA. Your characterization of them being viewed as an easy game is simply not accurate.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 3:23 pm
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