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re: Georgia lost. Some of you forgot.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:04 am to Long Dawg
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:04 am to Long Dawg
Bama has always lost multitudes of recruiting battles because Saban offers multitudes. Last year Bama had arguably the greatest class of all time. This year for various reasons there was a drop off. But there were few that Bama and UGA went head-to-head on, where both really cared. You win some, lose some. UGA has always recruited well and Bama rarely beat Richt for a Georgia kid that CMR really wanted. I would expect Kirby to have the same success.
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:06 am to Razor Dawg
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These were the numbers going into the season
Ran my own of .92+ recruits signed in 4 year periods:
2017: Bama 69, uga 45
2018: Bama 67, uga 53
We gained 10 spots. Still down 14.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:09 am to djsdawg
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We gained 10 spots. Still down 14.
Thought it was higher for some reason.
Yea,10 spots can't be made up in a year
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:17 am to djsdawg
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Your words, not mine. I know how badly uga beat those teams and I know how badly those 4 west teams did vs those teams. Uga did clearly better in every single comparison. You claimed otherwise. You were wrong about all 8 of them. 8 isn't an outlier. It's a majority.
Already addressed this but I will ask this again:
is there any difference in these scores?
Alabama 59 Vanderbilt 0
Alabama 45 Tennessee 7
Auburn 51 Missouri 14
Auburn 40 Georgia 17
etc etc etc (not going to retype A&M, Miss State, etc scores)
versus
Georgia 41 Tennesee 0
Georgia 45 Vanderbilt 14
Georgia 53 Missouri 28
etc etc etc
Does it matter that Alabama scored 4 more points against Tennessee than Georgia and gave up 7 more than Georgia did in a blowout? Really?
Does it matter that Auburn scored 2 points less than you but gave up 14 less than you did against Missouri?
Because that is the data you are trying to argue over. A blowout win is a blowout win. Georgia blowing out SEC East opponents was NOT unique. How do we know? Facts, Statistics, and Empirical Data.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:20 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:23 am to Jake_LaMotta
We are talking about lsu, anm, ole miss, and ark. All 4 prove you wrong.
In response, You ignore all 4 of them and list games by Bama and auburn.
What a pathetic attempt to change the subject.
In response, You ignore all 4 of them and list games by Bama and auburn.
What a pathetic attempt to change the subject.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:31 am to djsdawg
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In response, You ignore all 4 of them and list games by Bama and auburn.
I haven't changed the subject. I clearly stated I wasn't going to type out blowouts by Ole Miss, Miss State, etc.
You tried to change the subject and it backfired
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:49 am to Jake_LaMotta
There is no one disputing what Bama and auburn did, so no need to discuss those games.
Those 4 other west teams are well within the subject matter, but you are trying so hard to avoid those 8 games because you know none of the others blew Them out as badly "just like uga".
Yes, Ole miss came close once, but not quite there. None of the other 7 games were close to "just like uga".
That's the majority of games within this subject. It's not a backfire when those facts prove you wrong. Ignoring them doesn't change them.
Those 4 other west teams are well within the subject matter, but you are trying so hard to avoid those 8 games because you know none of the others blew Them out as badly "just like uga".
Yes, Ole miss came close once, but not quite there. None of the other 7 games were close to "just like uga".
That's the majority of games within this subject. It's not a backfire when those facts prove you wrong. Ignoring them doesn't change them.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:51 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:58 am to TrendingRight
I don't think anybody would argue that recruiting at a high level is absolutely essential to winning a NC. It is. You need to be in the top 20 and have around 60% blue chips to have a realistic chance.
Here's what UGA fans are missing. 1 great class like this does not mean you are the next Alabama or you are building a dynasty. And arguing with Bama over .5 points in an overall class is absolutely ridiculous. And while there is a significant difference between the top 5 classes and #10, that doesn't always make a difference in actually winning it all. Which is funny, because UGA is celebrating this recruiting class like it a NC.
I looked at the last 4 champions that weren't Alabama- Clemson, Ohio State, Florida State, and Auburn. Then I looked at the average recruiting rankings for the 4 classes prior to them winning the championship.
Clemson- 15
Florida State- 6
Ohio State- 8
Auburn- 16
Recent Runner Up's Oregon and Notre Dame had an average of 16.5 and 10, respectively. So you can absolutely compete for championships with rankings in the top 20, which is why arguing over .5 point is ridiculous.
Also, keep in mind teams like Florida, Texas, and USC have each had multiple top 5 classes in the past 5 years and nothing to show for it. Tennessee and Texas A&M, top 5 classes. You have to have talent to win. But whether you have 15 blue chips guys in a class or 25, doesn't always make a difference. You can only play so many of them. Having the right 22 in any given year is all you need.
Granted, once you put this class together 6 straight years like Alabama then it will definitely make a difference. You're not there yet.
Here's what UGA fans are missing. 1 great class like this does not mean you are the next Alabama or you are building a dynasty. And arguing with Bama over .5 points in an overall class is absolutely ridiculous. And while there is a significant difference between the top 5 classes and #10, that doesn't always make a difference in actually winning it all. Which is funny, because UGA is celebrating this recruiting class like it a NC.
I looked at the last 4 champions that weren't Alabama- Clemson, Ohio State, Florida State, and Auburn. Then I looked at the average recruiting rankings for the 4 classes prior to them winning the championship.
Clemson- 15
Florida State- 6
Ohio State- 8
Auburn- 16
Recent Runner Up's Oregon and Notre Dame had an average of 16.5 and 10, respectively. So you can absolutely compete for championships with rankings in the top 20, which is why arguing over .5 point is ridiculous.
Also, keep in mind teams like Florida, Texas, and USC have each had multiple top 5 classes in the past 5 years and nothing to show for it. Tennessee and Texas A&M, top 5 classes. You have to have talent to win. But whether you have 15 blue chips guys in a class or 25, doesn't always make a difference. You can only play so many of them. Having the right 22 in any given year is all you need.
Granted, once you put this class together 6 straight years like Alabama then it will definitely make a difference. You're not there yet.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:59 am to tattoo
The main difference is Richt didn't care as much in the trenches, which is a major matter in being able to go to the next level from perennially being good, with down years mixed in here and there because of QB transition.
That's now changed but whether it makes a short term difference, is another story that won't be figured out for a couple of years. My guess is the answer is very likely to be no. Georgia might have it's most talented team ever with enough experience to not be an issue by 2019 but nope...they'll have to take down an Alabama that might be even better than the 2016 version.
Basically, SEC fukked....
That's now changed but whether it makes a short term difference, is another story that won't be figured out for a couple of years. My guess is the answer is very likely to be no. Georgia might have it's most talented team ever with enough experience to not be an issue by 2019 but nope...they'll have to take down an Alabama that might be even better than the 2016 version.
Basically, SEC fukked....
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:00 pm to djsdawg
Why are we arguing about stats from games where the starters were taken out minutes into the 3rd quarter?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:15 pm to ATLtiger12
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Clemson- 15
Florida State- 6
Ohio State- 8
Auburn- 16
Top 10 classes are what matter. Very little difference between the #1, #5, and #10 classes because of things like attrition, 5*'s really being 2* or 3*'s and 3* kids that in reality are 5* players. This isn't even taking into account injuries and transfers or kids quitting or getting kicked off the team. These rankings are just conjecture anyway. This is not an absolute or an exact science.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:18 pm to ATLtiger12
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Which is funny, because UGA is celebrating this recruiting class like it a NC.
Nope. Not even close. This celebration is more subdued than the seccg one and the rose bowl one.
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once you put this class together 6 straight years like Alabama then it will definitely make a difference.
Just one player could have made the difference in our last game, so you are downplaying it.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:21 pm to Jake_LaMotta
Clemson- 15 (Heisman runner up QB)
Florida State- 6 (Heisman QB)
Ohio State- 8
Auburn- 16 (Heisman QB)
It always helps when you have one of those too
Florida State- 6 (Heisman QB)
Ohio State- 8
Auburn- 16 (Heisman QB)
It always helps when you have one of those too
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:26 pm to fibonaccisquared
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fascinating cacophony of hypocrisy.
You sip your coffee with your pinky out.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:37 pm to BhamDore
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You do know that just because 247 says you got 7 "5 stars" doesn't mean you have 7 of the that are a cut above the rest.
You literally just said every year there are anywhere between 25 to 50 players that stand out, the rest is a crap shoot. I say yep and we reeled in 7 of them, then you move the goal post and dismiss your original statement. Bravo.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:53 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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p 10 classes are what matter. Very little difference between the #1, #5, and #10 classes because of things like attrition, 5*'s really being 2* or 3*'s and 3* kids that in reality are 5* players. This isn't even taking into account injuries and transfers or kids quitting or getting kicked off the team. These rankings are just conjecture anyway. This is not an absolute or an exact science.
Going back to another losing argument because you failed so badly at the other one. The results of all these games prove you wrong no matter the argument.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:58 pm to RedPants
I'm saying there are plenty that are clearly special that are not included in 247's 5 stars. We see it every year. We also see plenty that prove they were never truly 5 stay talents in that list as well.
The hit less than 50% on 5 star players. Those should be the easiest to evaluate. If they are that bad at ranking kids that should clearly standout on the highschool level, what makes you think they can properly rate the rest of them.
The hit less than 50% on 5 star players. Those should be the easiest to evaluate. If they are that bad at ranking kids that should clearly standout on the highschool level, what makes you think they can properly rate the rest of them.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:59 pm to TrendingRight
How has this gone 9 pages?
Did we ever get a show of hands from those who actually forgot?
Did we ever get a show of hands from those who actually forgot?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:02 pm to BhamDore
They hit on 5 stars better than they hit on 4 stars and they hit better on 4 stars than they hit on 3 stars and they hit better on 3 stars than they hit on 2 stars.
You are ignoring just about everything that proves you wrong and likely looking at whatever you are using in the wrong way.
You are ignoring just about everything that proves you wrong and likely looking at whatever you are using in the wrong way.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:05 pm to countryboy2
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I smell
Like a Corndog.
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