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re: Georgia lost. Some of you forgot.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:02 am to Jake_LaMotta
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:02 am to Jake_LaMotta
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The narrative that the West only lost 3 games against the East in 2017? That narrative?
No, the West was clearly better. That's not what I'm pointing out. Georgia was clearly better than all of the West teams, save Bama and Auburn. If we exchanged the bottom 5 East teams we played with the bottom 5 West, our record would have been the exact same.
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Can you count to 10? Sure doesn't sound like it.
I wish man. Way too difficult for me.
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:05 am to RedPants
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There are about 25 to 50 players that are clearly a cut above the rest
Agreed, and we got 7 of them.
You do know that just because 247 says you got 7 "5 stars" doesn't mean you have 7 of the that are a cut above the rest.
Recruiting rankings for 5 stars are less than 50% accurate. These players should be the easiest to evaluate since they clearly stand out on a high school level and yet still recruiting scouts are wrong more than half the time on these guys.
If they can't properly rate the top 25 guys out of a pool of 50 or so then how are we to believe they can rank the top 250 or 300 out of thousands of kids.
There are way too many kids and way too many variables to make a list ranking prospects.
You can put a star rating next to their name and make the best educated projection on a kid, but to rank them numerically is just dumb and bad for college football.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:09 am to djsdawg
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You said everyone beat the crap out of all east teams exactly like uga did. You need to prove that.
already posted examples not going to sit here and post a 5 paragraph essay to an inbred Georgia fan. Look it up yourself.
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Prove that lsu and anm beat the crap out of uf. If you can't
That is one sample size and a very small one.
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your whole story gets destroyed yet again.
Oh really? Well considering these were the only wins by the East over the West in the regular season: Missouri beat Arkansas
Georgia beat Miss State
Carolina beat Arkansas
Post season:
Georgia beat Auburn (in a mulligan game)
Alabama beat Georgia (for the National Championship)
Alabama blew out Vandy and Tennessee
Auburn blew out Missouri and Georgia
etc. etc. etc.
but what I am posting is false?
So taking this into account what do we now know? Hint: it isn't me getting destroyed. It is the SEC East getting destroyed and your dumb logic by proxy because apparently you didn't watch any SEC football this year.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:10 am to BhamDore
Results in games, results in NFL draft, and results on all-am teams all tell a different story than you are telling.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:14 am to BhamDore
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You do know that just because 247 says you got 7 "5 stars" doesn't mean you have 7 of the that are a cut above the rest.
No but it means they're pretty damn good.
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Recruiting rankings for 5 stars are less than 50% accurate.
Please provide a link for this and also provide A link where they flame more than 3 stars
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There are way too many kids and way too many variables to make a list ranking prospects.
Once again, not really
Don't know how many times I have to post this but ONCE AGAIN the more 4 and 5 stars on the roster the better the odds of getting to the playoffs and winning NC's.
So don't you think Rivals and 24/7 are doing something right?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:18 am to Jake_LaMotta
Your a F'ing retard, lol absolutely clueless
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:19 am to Jake_LaMotta
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That is one sample size and a very small one.
You said everyone destroyed uf just like uga did, not me. The sample size is limited by its nature, and the sample size proves you wrong.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:21 am to DaWGfan01
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Your a F'ing retard, lol absolutely clueless
Says a Georgia fan who other Georgia fans asked me to hold their hand and type out all these results like Texas A&M beating Kentucky 45-7 or Ole Miss beating Vandy by 22 points etc.
But I am retarded? Nah son it is you who is the retard.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:23 am to TideFaninFl
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Yes, UGA lost the NC game
Yes, UGA had an outstanding recruiting class (Congrats)
Yes, UGA is getting better under Coach Smart (Congrats)
Why is that a problem for Alabama?
Remember, Coach Saban won 3 NC of the SEC's 7 straight NC
I see Bama's biggest threats as follows:
1) By 2019, UGA's roster talent will equal Bama's if current recruiting trends continue. Even if Bama has a good class next year.
2) No one in Tuscaloosa knows how long Saban wants to stay at Bama. Many think once he gets one more Natty at Bama he will have the record and will move onto either a new challenge or retire.
3) Alabama is not a rich state for football talent. While Bama can recruit nationally, they have historically been able to pull 4-5 highly ranked guys out of Georgia every year. Kirby Smart is starting to lock down the state - you can never totally lock down a talent-rich state as Georgia - but he will dominate and get a much higher percentage than Richt ever did - it is a "zero/sum" game and Richt/Saban will want a lot of the same players.
4) Nick Saban's Age - 67yrs old. While I would not deny Saban's fantastic ability as a coach, he is getting older and this will be used against him in recruiting.
5)Bama staff turnover - Nick is hard to work for and he tends to wear out his assistants. Further, getting a job as a top assistant at Bama is coveted but we have seen how quickly these assistants are moving on. While Kirby was with Bama for 8 years, Pruitt was 2 years - how long do you think Tosh Lupoi will be there? Also, every time these guys leave, they take 1-2 guys with them.
NICK SABAN is Alabama. Between 1995-2006, Bama was in the wilderness for much of those 11 years. A program is only as good as its head coach and who is going to be the successor to Saban? Kirby Smart? nope! Dabo Swinney? maybe but I doubt it.
Whether Saban stays or leaves, Kirby is gaining on him quickly and Saban knows it and feels it. Enjoy your Natty, you may get one more but the Bama reign of terror is near the end.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:24 am to djsdawg
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You said everyone destroyed uf just like uga did, not me. The sample size is limited by its nature, and the sample size proves you wrong.
I never mentioned Florida. Florida not getting blown out by LSU has nothing to do with Alabama destroying Tennesee and Vandy or Auburn blowing you and Missouri out or Miss State blowing out Kentucky or Ole Miss blowing out Vandy etc. Do you know what a sample size is? I will ask again, do you know what Facts, Statistics and Empirical Data are?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:36 am to Long Dawg
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Long Dawg
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While Bama can recruit nationally, they have historically been able to pull 4-5 highly ranked guys out of Georgia every year. Kirby Smart is starting to lock down the state - you can never totally lock down a talent-rich state as Georgia - but he will dominate and get a much higher percentage than Richt ever did - it is a "zero/sum" game and Richt/Saban will want a lot of the same players.
I posted the following a moment ago in another thread:
That's a myth, Bama has signed just 7 players out of Georgia in the last 5 years. Only 1 Georgia player has had any effect out of the last 6 classes, and it has been minimal: Miller Forrestall. The reality is that Bama has gotten nothing the last 6 years. Even the first 6 years when Bama had a little presence in the state, there were only 4 players that had much impact: Chance Warmack a 3 star that UGA never offered, Blake Sims that UGA never offered, Kenyon Drake that UGA supposedly offered and Dalvin Tomlinson the same. Bama has rarely gotten much that UGA cared about, even under Saban.
The last 6 years, Bama has gotten much more out of Texas, Florida, Louisiana, even DC/Md/Va has yielded much more than Georgia. In fact, more has come out of New Jersey: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Anthony Averett vs Miller Forrestall - in 6 years. Xavier McKinney will likely be pretty good.
Bama is the king, UGA is another challenger.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:37 am to Jake_LaMotta
You said the east, which clearly implies every east team. Your story doesn't hold up when we take a closer look.
Moving on....
The lsu game vs ut was closer than the score shows and anm struggled vs sc, so neither of them matched what we did in either of their 2 games.
Ole miss didn't beat Vandy or uk as bad as we did.
Ark lost both east games.
That's 4 west teams. The sample size is growing.
Moving on....
The lsu game vs ut was closer than the score shows and anm struggled vs sc, so neither of them matched what we did in either of their 2 games.
Ole miss didn't beat Vandy or uk as bad as we did.
Ark lost both east games.
That's 4 west teams. The sample size is growing.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 10:42 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:42 am to Long Dawg
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UGA's roster talent will equal Bama's if current recruiting trends continue. Even if Bama has a good class next year.
Nope. Not until 2020 class at earliest.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:49 am to djsdawg
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Your story doesn't hold up when we take a closer look.
First, Ole Miss absolutely blew out Vandy. A blowout is a blowout doesn't matter the point spread between how bad you beat them and they did.
Actually it does hold up and Florida was an outlier.
The SEC East was a punching bag and the West teams had no problem "blowing out" those putrid East teams like you did. It wasn't unique to Georgia. How do we know this? What are the Facts, Statistics, and Empirical Data? I have posted them and you are essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and trying to do the equivalent of:
"Kirby can eat more hotdogs than Richt and he won a Rose Bowl!!!!!"
When you are told that Savior Kirby hasn't done anything that Richt wasn't able to do at Georgia
Ignoring the fact that since 1946 only 2 SEC Programs have played in the Rose Bowl and for 13 of Richt's 15 years at Georgia it wasn't even possible for him to do such
You simply don't have the ability to grasp this.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 10:51 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:52 am to Jake_LaMotta
Not one of lsu, ark, anm, and ole miss beat its east opponents like uga did. That's 57% of west teams, which is a good sample size. You claimed they all did. You were wrong.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:57 am to djsdawg
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Not until 2020
These were the numbers going into the season
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Alabama’s 80 percent is the highest I’ve seen since I began publishing this piece. But it’s not a surprise when Nick Saban is literally convincing
[link=(Kirby Smart inherited a good Georgiaroster from Mark Richt, but his first two classes are humming at 74 percent, while Richt’s final two we're at 53. It’s not yet known if Smart can coach, but Georgia’s talent is being upgraded)]LINK[/link]
SO UGA needs to get to the 80% level( give our take).I believe we're around 65% this year (give or take) and we're adding more blue chips than were losing.
I believe we'll be close 60 blue chips out of 85.
If we kill it again next year and Bama falls off a little I believe it can be closed in '19.
How many are we gonna lose in '19 ?
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:07 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:57 am to djsdawg
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Not one of lsu, ark, anm, and ole miss beat its east opponents like uga did. You claimed they all did. You were wrong.
Do you know what a blowout is? And it was a Georgia fan that brought this up not me
You guys hung yourselves with this and now you are backtracking and trying to use semantics and outliers.
-The West had a lopsided record against the East
-West teams not only were able to beat the East teams but were able to blow them out just like Georgia did. It was not unique to Georgia despite you and other Georgia fans trying to say such
-Georgia absolutely benefited by playing in the putrid East and not the West this year.
-Georgia has not won a National Championship since 1980 and this past season was literally a once in a lifetime/generation event. You won't be going back anytime soon. Maybe you can have your credit cards paid off in 30 years so you can afford to go see it again.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:58 am to tattoo
didn't see Alvin Kamara on your list - you not counting him because he left?
However, your point is well taken so touche'. Maybe a more important point is all that state of Georgia talent that was dispersed over more teams is now being concentrated in Athens.
Also, it should be noted that Kirby is winning at a high clip against Saban right now on these recruiting battles. Saban wanted a lot of kids in the last two years that are wearing the red-n-black.
However, your point is well taken so touche'. Maybe a more important point is all that state of Georgia talent that was dispersed over more teams is now being concentrated in Athens.
Also, it should be noted that Kirby is winning at a high clip against Saban right now on these recruiting battles. Saban wanted a lot of kids in the last two years that are wearing the red-n-black.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:00 am to Long Dawg
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Long Dawg
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5)Bama staff turnover - Nick is hard to work for and he tends to wear out his assistants. Further, getting a job as a top assistant at Bama is coveted but we have seen how quickly these assistants are moving on. While Kirby was with Bama for 8 years, Pruitt was 2 years - how long do you think Tosh Lupoi will be there? Also, every time these guys leave, they take 1-2 guys with them.
Nick is hard to work for, but what has changed? This year he encouraged some to leave. He wanted new and young blood to bolster recruiting which had sagged this year. He dramatically upgraded the staff from a recruiting perspective (Pruitt was a big loss.) Gattis, Banks, Scott and Golding were big upgrades to go along with Lupoi and Locksley.
Bama's success has been the primary reason for the staff changes, but Tosh and Locksley are unlikely to leave for a few years. But it hasn't mattered in the past. In fact, it was an upgrade from Kirby to Pruitt, as well as other spots. Lupoi is unlikely to be an upgrade from Pruitt, but he is promoting a change of DL philosophy that IMO will be beneficial. And so on.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:02 am to Jake_LaMotta
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West teams not only were able to beat the East teams but were able to blow them out just like Georgia did.
Your words, not mine. I know how badly uga beat those teams and I know how badly those 4 west teams did vs those teams. Uga did clearly better in every single comparison. You claimed otherwise. You were wrong about all 8 of them. 8 isn't an outlier. It's a majority.
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