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re: Georgia is losing 5 seniors out of 44 4/5 star players
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:53 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:53 pm to RD Dawg
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Clemson made it to the NC last year with 5 new starters on their O-line.
Bama,Michigan,Ohio State and UF amongst others all started
true freshman on their O'lines this year.
Its a new world in CFB....Freshman and new starters get thrown
into the fire right away coaches need to have the guys ready.
There'll be enough talent its on the coaches if they don't perform.
It's a show-me world.
I'm not going to deny improvement. But it takes a high level of play to run the football when the opponent wants to stop the run.
UGA doesn't need pre-season accolades right now. We are coming off of 8-5 with an awful line. Show me.
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:16 pm to meansonny
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This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 6:17 am
Posted on 1/7/17 at 9:28 am to RD Dawg
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with this recruiting class in '17. The most talented roster BY FAR in 15 years. No excuses at all for KS in '17
The Oline was the problem and until we get a true LT it will stay as such, at least from preventing us from being elite in the trenches. How many times did Catalina get beat? Kubs would get pushed back in the pocket a lot as well. Sure they played good at times and looked horrible at other times. Throw in a true freshman qb and its not a good recipe for success.
We are losing a few guys from that Oline and it would be hard to count on true freshman (in coming class) to start and do well in the SEC. It can be done and hopefully I Wilson or A Thomas will be that guy for us, plus we have that JUCO kid as well. If the Oline doesn't make improvements from last season, we could 'shite the bed' against the good/great teams. However, I think in '18 and moving forward we won't have to worry about the Oline woes anymore.
Also if Eason can make take the next step, his play could help hide these problems. This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:12 am to DawgGONIT
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The Oline was the problem and until we get a true LT it will stay as such, at least from preventing us from being elite i
There's enough incoming talent to be very good on the O-line and absolutly enough there to compete and win the SECE. We finished top 5 in '12 with Theus as our starting
LT. Once again,Clemson got there last year with 5 new starters on the O-line and Bama,
Michigan,Ohio State and UF all started true Freshmen.You can do it and compete at a high level if our coaches can put them in a posistion to succed
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How many times did Catalina get beat? Kubs would get pushed back in the pocket a lot as well. Sure they played good at times
Never said they were an overly talented group but there was a HUGE difference in their
performance from the Nichols State/Vandy games compared to the last 4 games and it wasn't about consistency.It had much more to with blocking schemes and recognizing
the skill set of the O'lineman and what they can or cannot do.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:17 am to thatdude1985
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Though it seems like UGA should be good but how many times have we heard this in the past? I'm hoping you guys have finally put it together so we can have one of those epic championship games again. IMO that was the best SEC championship game of all time.
if only they could play from now until August, perennial preseason champs
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:22 am to gthog61
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if only they could play from now until August, perennial preseason champs
Is being preseason champs really a bad thing? I think I'd rather have eternal optimism than eternal pessimism that haunts Tech.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:43 am to RD Dawg
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It had much more to with blocking schemes and recognizing
the skill set of the O'lineman and what they can or cannot do.
Agree to disagree on this one. Did the pistol formation work in the second half against TCU? Absolutely. But that same formation didn't have consistency against other opponents. And what worked against other opponents was God awful against TCU. Consistency.
There is no magic bullet when it comes to a poor offensive line. Guards playing right tackle. An overmatched left tackle from Rhode Island for Christ's sake won the starting job and got whooped on every good speed rush. And an undersized senior guard trying his best center impersonation.
You are trying to tell me what we did (or didn't do when it comes to the red zone) when it comes to Kentucky, GT, and LA Lafayette was an improvement?
Listen to our coach. It is all about being able to run the football when the opponent wants to stop the run. And even in the last 4-5 games, we were bad.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:50 am to BasedGator
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UGA always has a crap load of talent. 247 said they had the 6th most talent of everyone this year. Didn't help them much. Let's see if Smart will do a better coaching job next year
We can go in circles all day. Half of the talent was true freshmen and true sophomores. None of the talent was on the offensive line. And except for Maurice Smith, none of the talent was a senior.
The OL might not improve next season (although it is difficult to think that they could be worse).
But the young team should see improvement and peak in the next day seasons.
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:14 pm to BasedGator
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247 said they had the 6th most talent of everyone this yea
Highly flawed way to compare the quality of a roster
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:17 pm to BasedGator
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UGA always has a crap load of talent. 247 said they had the 6th most talent of everyone this year. Didn't help them much. Let's see if Smart will do a better coaching job next year
And next year they'll likely be top 3, and all of those players will have another year of experience.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:22 pm to Kcoyote
Talent is not th problem at UGA . It has been coaching for years including last year. Most of the teams in the SEC have the same problem. There is a reason that IGA was getting as much if not more hype then UF last year , they were full of talent.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:32 pm to meansonny
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Did the pistol formation work in the second half against TCU? Absolutely. But that same formation didn't have consistency against other opponents.
Don't thiink you're understading what I'm talking about.It has NOTHING to do with
particular formations that opponents can make adjustments to.It's about gap
responsibilities,lateral vs straight ahead blocking,identifying who is athletic enough
to pull and get on the edge
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You are trying to tell me what we did (or didn't do when it comes to the red zone) when it comes to Kentucky, GT, and LA Lafayette was an improvement?
Huh?Not even counting ULL...look at our rushing stats vs Kentucky.GT,TCU and even
Auburn.Are you telling there wasn't difference in our line performance?Were the RB's getting hit a before they even got to the LOS on the majoeity of running plays?There was no difference between Nichols/Vandy/UF vs the last 4 P5 schools we played?
If you can't see any difference then agree to disagree is correct.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:55 pm to gthog61
GT:
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if only they could play from now until August, never any kind of champs
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:28 pm to DawgGONIT
Just the sheer talent and size difference of the Richt era:
2016 OL group
Isaiah Wynn
6-2 280
Lamont Gaillard
6-2 300
Tyler Catalina
6-6 315
Brandon Kublanow
6-2 290
vs.
2017 incoming freshmen and RS freshmen
Ben Cleveland
6-6 340
Solomon Kindley
6-4 335
D'Marcus Hayes
6-6 320
Isaiah Wilson
6-7 350
Andrew Thomas
6-5 330
Netori Johnson
6-3 345
Justin Shaffer
6-5 355
Maybe they put it together faster in 2017 or by 2019. All I know is you are not going through that wall easily like they did in 2016.
2018 should be a great year for OL and DL but you lose many seniors and potential juniors:
Seniors
Dominick Sanders
Nick Chubb
Sony Michel
Lo Carter
Malkom Parish
Davim Bellamy
Aaron Davis
Reggie Carter
Dyshon Sims
Isaiah Wynn
John Atkins
Juniors
Roquan Smith
Trent Thompson
Natrez Patrick
2016 OL group
Isaiah Wynn
6-2 280
Lamont Gaillard
6-2 300
Tyler Catalina
6-6 315
Brandon Kublanow
6-2 290
vs.
2017 incoming freshmen and RS freshmen
Ben Cleveland
6-6 340
Solomon Kindley
6-4 335
D'Marcus Hayes
6-6 320
Isaiah Wilson
6-7 350
Andrew Thomas
6-5 330
Netori Johnson
6-3 345
Justin Shaffer
6-5 355
Maybe they put it together faster in 2017 or by 2019. All I know is you are not going through that wall easily like they did in 2016.
2018 should be a great year for OL and DL but you lose many seniors and potential juniors:
Seniors
Dominick Sanders
Nick Chubb
Sony Michel
Lo Carter
Malkom Parish
Davim Bellamy
Aaron Davis
Reggie Carter
Dyshon Sims
Isaiah Wynn
John Atkins
Juniors
Roquan Smith
Trent Thompson
Natrez Patrick
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:31 pm to Kcoyote
Should be an improved team next year. With a little luck you might be able to sneak past Vanderbilt.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:36 pm to tjv305
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Talent is not th problem at UGA . It has been coaching for years including last year. Most of the teams in the SEC have the same problem. There is a reason that IGA was getting as much if not more hype then UF last year , they were full of talent.
Our ol, db, and WRs last year weren't talented and our qb and most of our front 7 were inexperienced. That left olb and rb as our experienced and talented groups.
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