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re: Gator fans, what is the leash for Mullen?
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:26 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:26 pm to fibonaccisquared
Once again, dog fans are idiots. Mac's biggest down fall was exactly that. His ego. Yes. No question yes. It's not even a remote debate for anyone who actually followed both coaches. Mac is insanely egotistical and pissed off everyone because of it. Once again Dawg fans, try doing a little research before trying to debate shite about our program that you have no clue about.
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Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:35 pm to fibonaccisquared
Mac never took blame for a defeat
He always pushed blame on players and other coaches
He claimed he could win with his dog he knows offense so well(yea)
He refused to listen to administration the entire time he was here. He made Grier leave because his ego wouldn't start Grier. He thought he was God's gift as a coach to the QB position...he isn't.
He did not change OC's despite it not working
Did not fire his buddy TE coach despite him being one of the worst coaches we've ever seen here
He did not improve the S&C as recommended by other coaches, athletic department personal, etc.
Mac was fired specifically because of his ego. Mullen has an ego too, but Mullen backs up his claims, and he isn't so egotistical he will not change what he does if it isn't working. Mac did not change what needed changed, did not take advice from anyone, and closed off any help he could get. It's why he got fired mid season in an embarrassing way. The death threats was simply a reason to get rid of him quickly.
Yes. Anyone who followed UF during his time here, is absolutely sure Mac had a larger ego than Mullen. Mullen is egotistical, but not to the point it is damaging the program. Mac's ego cost him his job.
He always pushed blame on players and other coaches
He claimed he could win with his dog he knows offense so well(yea)
He refused to listen to administration the entire time he was here. He made Grier leave because his ego wouldn't start Grier. He thought he was God's gift as a coach to the QB position...he isn't.
He did not change OC's despite it not working
Did not fire his buddy TE coach despite him being one of the worst coaches we've ever seen here
He did not improve the S&C as recommended by other coaches, athletic department personal, etc.
Mac was fired specifically because of his ego. Mullen has an ego too, but Mullen backs up his claims, and he isn't so egotistical he will not change what he does if it isn't working. Mac did not change what needed changed, did not take advice from anyone, and closed off any help he could get. It's why he got fired mid season in an embarrassing way. The death threats was simply a reason to get rid of him quickly.
Yes. Anyone who followed UF during his time here, is absolutely sure Mac had a larger ego than Mullen. Mullen is egotistical, but not to the point it is damaging the program. Mac's ego cost him his job.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:39 pm to Gatorbait2008
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The dawg fans on this board speak to much on things they are clearly clueless about. Maybe it's because they are new to football and jumped on the bandwagon
Hilarious,I've been in this board since '12 and followed CFB for over 40 years.
You guys made the claim that players didn't improve their bench press from their Freshman to Senior years.Im not seeing that claim backed up in one of those articles.You also made the claim that multiple injuries in '17 were due to the S&C program and none of those articles backed up the claim.
Don't really think you've been around long enough to understand how the S&C program is ALWAYS the 1st to get thrown through the bus when a new coach takes over. It's been going on forever.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:42 pm to Gatorbait2008
Fun fact. 95% of Mullen's successful players in the NFL are defensive players. He's good at developing and recruiting offensive talent though.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:57 pm to RD Dawg
It was said by the players about TE can't find the interview for it. Straws probably can he can find anything. Everything that's been said has been shown from reputable sources. You are trying to focus on one thing, because you have no other thing to argue. It's clear by the evidence dawg fans are wrong here. You have zero clue about the situations that surrounded Mac's departure, as proven by your insanely flawed arguments here.
Go read the articles, because you are clueless.
Go read the articles, because you are clueless.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:00 pm to yatesdog38
Alex Smith, Dak, Tebow seemed to do pretty well in the draft
How good did Franks improve in one year?
When was the last time UF had an offense rated as highly as last year...weird huh
Mac had three straight years of sub 100 ranked offenses. If you are trying to claim him a strong offensive mind..it just proves even more that dawg fans are brain dead.
Seems he knows quite a bit
How good did Franks improve in one year?
When was the last time UF had an offense rated as highly as last year...weird huh
Mac had three straight years of sub 100 ranked offenses. If you are trying to claim him a strong offensive mind..it just proves even more that dawg fans are brain dead.
Seems he knows quite a bit
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:02 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Go read the articles, because you are clueless
You’re wasting your breath they don’t care about the truth. They won’t read or believe it, we just have to wax that arse in J’ville then maybe they will understand what Mac was to this program.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:05 pm to GatorBait24
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You’re wasting your breath they don’t care about the truth. They won’t read or believe it, we just have to wax that arse in J’ville then maybe they will understand what Mac was to this program.
I mean you would think ESPN, USA Today, and SI are reputable sources to prove that Florida fans aren't making it up...
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:06 pm to Gatorbait2008
he's a great run game coordinator.
Dak was drafted in the 4th round. He had the same drive and heart as Tebow. I think Dan helped him, but I think he would have been drafted anywhere he went.
Anyone with sense could watch film on Tebow and see he had poor mechanics and couldn't read a defense. Great heart though.
You sound like an irrational Mississippi State fan. I used to protect the scientologist, but that's because he was our scientologist. He won't win you a championship.
Dak was drafted in the 4th round. He had the same drive and heart as Tebow. I think Dan helped him, but I think he would have been drafted anywhere he went.
Anyone with sense could watch film on Tebow and see he had poor mechanics and couldn't read a defense. Great heart though.
You sound like an irrational Mississippi State fan. I used to protect the scientologist, but that's because he was our scientologist. He won't win you a championship.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
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You have zero clue about the situations that surrounded Mac's departure, as proven by your insanely flawed arguments here.
LMFAO!When did I ever argue him being a great coach.Man you guys are paranoid and defensive.
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Go read the articles, because you are clueless.
I read all of them and see my previous post about what was refuted by previous claims.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:12 pm to Gatorbait2008
Wow... so upset it took two posts... 
Let's condense all your bullshite into one longer thread.
All that research in your previous post boiled down into "I'm a sad little gator and this is my very valuable opinion"...
Not to mention your last 2 links were identical articles housed in different places...
Opening sequence of both...
"The most important guy on Florida's sideline Saturday wasn't coach Dan Mullen or quarterback Feleipe Franks.
He didn't wear a headset or have a play-calling sheet. He didn't touch the football or get in the huddle..."
I didn't hear a lot of blame acceptance from Mullen either... not in the post-game comments after Kentucky or Georgia for example... Like most coaches, it was a lot of "well we didn't execute/play well/etc"...
Have you watched a Mullen post-game presser?
He fricking won games with Treon Harris at QB. Arguably, his dog might have been a better QB. Also, if you can't acknowledge Mac's humor but you think Mullen's quips are all great, you were done before you started...
The best coaches largely bend the administration to their wills, not vice versa. Not saying Mac was a great coach, but he's hardly alone in that approach.
Will Grier was fricking juicing and demanded a guaranteed starting role if he waited around. This is a silly complaint. I would think you all more than anyone would be ok with a coach having the integrity to be honest about this given the bullshite we hear from GB24 about Kirby lying to Justin Fields.
Most coaches who fail do so because they retain coaches they should have let go... That isn't specifically arrogance or ego... rather than an inability to assess objectively.
Cool... So Mac's ego is worse because he didn't win enough, and Mullen's ego is not as bad because he *did* win enough... Solid logic. I'm glad you spent all that money on an expensive degree just so you could shite in your hands and type up this drivel.
He had no support by his final season... Gators were done with him and it was obvious... "not taking advice" from people who are actively looking to remove you already seems pretty wise.
ALL that typing just to get to "I have an opinion and it's absolutely correct."
How's Chip Kelly working out for you guys this year?
Let's condense all your bullshite into one longer thread.
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Once again, dog fans are idiots. Mac's biggest down fall was exactly that. His ego. Yes. No question yes. It's not even a remote debate for anyone who actually followed both coaches. Mac is insanely egotistical and pissed off everyone because of it. Once again Dawg fans, try doing a little research before trying to debate shite about our program that you have no clue about.
All that research in your previous post boiled down into "I'm a sad little gator and this is my very valuable opinion"...
Not to mention your last 2 links were identical articles housed in different places...
Opening sequence of both...
"The most important guy on Florida's sideline Saturday wasn't coach Dan Mullen or quarterback Feleipe Franks.
He didn't wear a headset or have a play-calling sheet. He didn't touch the football or get in the huddle..."
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Mac never took blame for a defeat
I didn't hear a lot of blame acceptance from Mullen either... not in the post-game comments after Kentucky or Georgia for example... Like most coaches, it was a lot of "well we didn't execute/play well/etc"...
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He always pushed blame on players
Have you watched a Mullen post-game presser?
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He claimed he could win with his dog he knows offense so well(yea)
He fricking won games with Treon Harris at QB. Arguably, his dog might have been a better QB. Also, if you can't acknowledge Mac's humor but you think Mullen's quips are all great, you were done before you started...
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He refused to listen to administration the entire time he was here.
The best coaches largely bend the administration to their wills, not vice versa. Not saying Mac was a great coach, but he's hardly alone in that approach.
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He made Grier leave because his ego wouldn't start Grier. He thought he was God's gift as a coach to the QB position...he isn't.
Will Grier was fricking juicing and demanded a guaranteed starting role if he waited around. This is a silly complaint. I would think you all more than anyone would be ok with a coach having the integrity to be honest about this given the bullshite we hear from GB24 about Kirby lying to Justin Fields.
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He did not change OC's despite it not working
Did not fire his buddy TE coach despite him being one of the worst coaches we've ever seen here
He did not improve the S&C as recommended by other coaches, athletic department personal, etc.
Most coaches who fail do so because they retain coaches they should have let go... That isn't specifically arrogance or ego... rather than an inability to assess objectively.
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Mac was fired specifically because of his ego. Mullen has an ego too, but Mullen backs up his claims
Cool... So Mac's ego is worse because he didn't win enough, and Mullen's ego is not as bad because he *did* win enough... Solid logic. I'm glad you spent all that money on an expensive degree just so you could shite in your hands and type up this drivel.
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Mac did not change what needed changed, did not take advice from anyone, and closed off any help he could get.
He had no support by his final season... Gators were done with him and it was obvious... "not taking advice" from people who are actively looking to remove you already seems pretty wise.
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Yes. Anyone who followed UF during his time here, is absolutely sure Mac had a larger ego than Mullen. Mullen is egotistical, but not to the point it is damaging the program. Mac's ego cost him his job.
ALL that typing just to get to "I have an opinion and it's absolutely correct."
How's Chip Kelly working out for you guys this year?
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:12 pm to Gatorbait2008
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I mean you would think ESPN, USA Today, and SI are reputable sources to prove that Florida fans aren't making it up...
You’re not making anything up, however talking to Georgia fans and saying anything other than Kirby is a God, and about to run down Saban goes in one ear and out the other. We are talking about the same fans that brag like they are Bama but have a Georgia Tech like trophy case. Just let them sleep. Deep down they know what’s coming and who runs the east.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:24 pm to GatorBait24
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You’re not making anything up, however talking to Georgia fans and saying anything other than Kirby is a God, and about to run down Saban goes in one ear and out the other. We are talking about the same fans that brag like they are Bama but have a Georgia Tech like trophy case. Just let them sleep. Deep down they know what’s coming and who runs the east.
lolwut... talk about a non-sequitur.
No one is even saying that S&C wasn't a problem there when he arrived... simply that NEARLY EVERY incoming coach uses S&C as a point of leverage as to how they're going to be different. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, sometimes it's spot on... most of the time, it's somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:30 pm to fibonaccisquared
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olwut... talk about a non-sequitur. No one is even saying that S&C wasn't a problem there when he arrived... simply that NEARLY EVERY incoming coach uses S&C as a point of leverage as to how they're going to be different. Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, sometimes it's spot on... most of the time, it's somewhere in the middle.
So what you’re saying is you have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re just arguing to argue? Thanks for clearing that up.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:36 pm to GatorBait24
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So what you’re saying is you have no idea what you’re talking about
Can you show me where someone said that his S&C was in no way a problem? You got one snarky comment:
"Yes,musta been just a horrible S&C program
with all those draft picks you produced
when he was there. "
Followed up with this:
"It's amazing how I hear the exact same about every big time program the fires their coach...it's ALWAYS the scape goat and no I don't believe in regards to players having the same bench numbers from their Freshman to Senior years.
You had more players drafted in '16,'17 and '18 than any other school except Bama.
Somebody must have been doing something right."
There is a big difference between:
S&C was colossally bad and was a huge reason for how bad we were under Mac
and
S&C was potentially an issue but we had more players drafted in 16-18 anyways. It's certainly possible that it is being made a bigger deal than it actually was.
Or in other words: "Sometimes it's wildly inaccurate, sometimes it's spot on... most of the time, it's somewhere in the middle."
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you’re just arguing to argue? Thanks for clearing that up.
Read more, talk less. You'll sound smarter.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:44 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Read more, talk less. You'll sound smarter
Pot meet kettle. I know my shite stinks. I’m not here to try to be smarter than anyone. I could show you lots of things but once again you’re just going to see what you want to see. Google Mike Kent tell me where he is working now. Have a nice day.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:41 pm to fibonaccisquared
He had no support by his final season... Gators were done with him and it was obvious... "not taking advice" from people who are actively looking to remove you already seems pretty wise.
That is literally all that needed to be copied. He won the East twice, yet his ego and arrogance was SO great he had no support by year three. Thanks for helping prove the point. Mullen is not remotely as arrogant, and yes, he absolutely takes blame during loses. Literally his last loss his first statement was.
"Obviously a disappointing performance from us,” Mullen said at his postgame press conference. “That’s on us, that’s on the coaches."
So....yep. Great points bulldog
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:46 pm to fibonaccisquared
It was so bad OTHER coaches complained to the department. Name another P5 College Football program has players working out at gyms outside of the school to get away from the S&C coach. That is literally insane that it got that bad. That's not off hand comments, that is reported in major papers and said multiple times.
The S&C was purely awful. It's why UF was notoriously bad in the 4th quarter, rarely won in the trenches, and had major injury issues. Kids had no guidance.
The S&C was purely awful. It's why UF was notoriously bad in the 4th quarter, rarely won in the trenches, and had major injury issues. Kids had no guidance.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:52 pm to RD Dawg
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Hilarious,I've been in this board since '12 and followed CFB for over 40 years.
Hilarious indeed.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 4:39 pm to Gatorbait2008
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That is literally all that needed to be copied. He won the East twice, yet his ego and arrogance was SO great he had no support by year three. Thanks for helping prove the point. Mullen is not remotely as arrogant, and yes, he absolutely takes blame during loses.
... I think you may be misunderstanding what the word arrogant means...
"having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities"
Literally none of what you just typed supports a definitive stance on his degree of arrogance. Simply that he was moderately successful in 2 years but failed to meet expectations, therefore did not have support by year 3. You can make of that what you want to, but in the text you've provided as support, there is no "arrogance" proved. All you've proved is that he was a bad coach in the SEC... and you're tilting at windmills there if you think anyone is going to argue with you. He objectively was a bad coach there... he didn't recruit well, he didn't develop offense well (his area of expertise), and frankly he rode a pretty talented Will Muschamp created roster to 2 East titles before it dried up on him.
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Literally his last loss his first statement was.
In his last loss? Meaning Missouri? Meaning the first 2 losses - Kentucky and UGA you're admitting that he didn't explicitly take any blame (ie. the only two specific games I recall seeing the presser for - and explicitly referenced)? It's not my full time job to watch press conferences, but it would seem pretty obvious that the Kentucky loss was on the coaches... to not acknowledge it there would be no worse of a red flag than Mac not acknowledging it after a 40 point shellacking to Alabama for example.
And "That's on us as coaches" is not exactly a huge "it's my fault guys"... particularly when it's mostly accompanied by "we gotta execute" "gotta block those guys" and whatever other coach speak he wants to use to casually bring the players into the spotlight. But that's what they're *paid* to do... You act like Mac was somehow doing the wrong thing by acknowledging specific areas of the game that he needed better player performance. Inherently, if the guys don't play well, it's his fault. At least by year 2-3.
It's also not terribly different than one of McElwain's quotes after an FSU game that I'd seen referenced... "never use (injuries) as an excuse... we gotta get em ready to play" - We of course being coaches...
You have some weird fascination with someone accepting blame. I don't think Mac was some great bastion of great post game pressers, but he usually gave roughly the same balance of "gotta give credit to the other team" and "we didn't execute X, Y, and Z" as the next guy. If you want your coach to wallow after a loss, I'm ok with it. I hope Dan is extra sad and taking a lot of blame in the future.
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yep. Great points bulldog
Appreciate it.
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