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re: Game over for Cam, as far as eligibility is concerned
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:06 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:06 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
That was reported last week...
This LINK and This link basicly say the same thing that report says... Espn just needs to post a new article to feed the media frenzy... The only thing that article does is put the mircroscope on the messages they reported last week...
I'm still not sure how a water damaged phone and voice messages from a person being investigated for fraud/misrepresentation is a smoking gun.
This LINK and This link basicly say the same thing that report says... Espn just needs to post a new article to feed the media frenzy... The only thing that article does is put the mircroscope on the messages they reported last week...
I'm still not sure how a water damaged phone and voice messages from a person being investigated for fraud/misrepresentation is a smoking gun.
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:26 pm to michaeldwde
No smoking gun? Seriously? According to the WSB report last Friday, Cecil Newton's already admitted he shopped a pay for play scheme. He's ineligible and Auburn knew that last Friday. That's the smoking gun on him being ineligible.
The smoking gun on Auburn's death penalty will be when the FBI and NCAA connect the dots and find out who put "the smile" on Cecil's face. Since the FBI has had McGregor wiretapped for the past year and they've suddenly decided to get involved, smart money's on him.
The smoking gun on Auburn's death penalty will be when the FBI and NCAA connect the dots and find out who put "the smile" on Cecil's face. Since the FBI has had McGregor wiretapped for the past year and they've suddenly decided to get involved, smart money's on him.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:32 pm to VBHogman
You wouldn't know where the smart place to take a dump is...you sure don't know shite about smart money.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:33 pm to Buck Sweep
quote:zing!
You wouldn't know where the smart place to take a dump is...you sure don't know shite about smart money.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:51 pm to Buck Sweep
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You wouldn't know where the smart place to take a dump is...you sure don't know shite about smart money.
See it is fun being an 'internet tough guy' isn't it chops.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:56 pm to Buck Sweep
When the NCAA gets done with you delusional, player paying, late hite condoning Auburn assholes, you won't have a pot to shite in that's for sure. 
Posted on 11/17/10 at 9:26 pm to VBHogman
Just to make sure I am following where you guys are going.. Please tell me if I am off base...
The FBI now has wire taps that confirm that Cecil Newton had contact with McGregor and that money was exchanging hands between AU and the Newton's..
Is that really where this is now..
The FBI has wire taps and they are still interviewing all these people in 3 different states..
and oh by the way, the NCAA does not know of these wire taps?.. or they do, and have told Auburn to sit Newton which we have just replied "screw off"..
Is that really what you are going with now.. Or could it be that it really is MSU that has some explaining to do.. and that as sad as it sounds, AU recruited him fairly (no play on words there), and now the NCAA is in a quandry because they dont know how to handle..
Sure your answer is easy.. Newton is ineligible.. but boy that could bring a University with a law suit behind it.. Show me exactly where it says that Auburn can not play Newton if his father solicited funds from another university.. Keep in mind of the Albert Means case when answering and remember he played at Memphis when Alabama went down..
Now explain to me without name calling and other BS why your answer is right..
I think it is This.. It has to be right or you guys are on outside looking in at SEC Championship and National Championship and that does not sit well with you..
Well plan for it not to sit well with you for a while.. Because when this season is over, you will continue to stew on this and it will eat you up for 8 long months until next season.. But you cant admit that you might just be wrong here.. That you may not have the right answer..
The FBI now has wire taps that confirm that Cecil Newton had contact with McGregor and that money was exchanging hands between AU and the Newton's..
Is that really where this is now..
The FBI has wire taps and they are still interviewing all these people in 3 different states..
and oh by the way, the NCAA does not know of these wire taps?.. or they do, and have told Auburn to sit Newton which we have just replied "screw off"..
Is that really what you are going with now.. Or could it be that it really is MSU that has some explaining to do.. and that as sad as it sounds, AU recruited him fairly (no play on words there), and now the NCAA is in a quandry because they dont know how to handle..
Sure your answer is easy.. Newton is ineligible.. but boy that could bring a University with a law suit behind it.. Show me exactly where it says that Auburn can not play Newton if his father solicited funds from another university.. Keep in mind of the Albert Means case when answering and remember he played at Memphis when Alabama went down..
Now explain to me without name calling and other BS why your answer is right..
I think it is This.. It has to be right or you guys are on outside looking in at SEC Championship and National Championship and that does not sit well with you..
Well plan for it not to sit well with you for a while.. Because when this season is over, you will continue to stew on this and it will eat you up for 8 long months until next season.. But you cant admit that you might just be wrong here.. That you may not have the right answer..
Posted on 11/17/10 at 9:29 pm to wareagle95
So from what I've read, one of two things will happen...
The NCAA is able to go through this with due diligence and Auburn's wins are forfeited before postseason play. LSU represents the SEC West in Atlanta and considerably strengthens its chances for a BSCNG berth.
or
The NCAA takes its sweet arse time, Auburn plays through the SECCG, likely the BCSCG, and then has its wins vacated after the season... which essentially is completely meaningless... and then is handed probation, loss of scholarships, and a postseason ban for X amount of years.
Sounds about right?
The NCAA is able to go through this with due diligence and Auburn's wins are forfeited before postseason play. LSU represents the SEC West in Atlanta and considerably strengthens its chances for a BSCNG berth.
or
The NCAA takes its sweet arse time, Auburn plays through the SECCG, likely the BCSCG, and then has its wins vacated after the season... which essentially is completely meaningless... and then is handed probation, loss of scholarships, and a postseason ban for X amount of years.
Sounds about right?
Posted on 11/17/10 at 9:39 pm to wareagle95
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wareagle95
whistling in the dark bud.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 3:41 am to VBHogman
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VBHogman
Game over for Cam, as far as eligibility is concerned
When the NCAA gets done with you delusional, player paying, late hite condoning Auburn assholes, you won't have a pot to shite in that's for sure.
You're still mad about those two touchdowns, aren't you?
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:11 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Oh so you are hanging your hat on Kenny Rogers.
Keep in mind that Bell has turned over voice mail messages which apparently substantiate some significant aspects of the story- that an offer was made (and why would Rogers call Bell to discuss payment for Newton if Cecil Newton wasn't involved?) and the Cecil was present and aware. At this point we don't have any confirmation that there are recordings of either Cecil or Cam, but the voice recordings of Rogers will go a long way toward supporting his version of events. That doesn't look good for the Newtons.
Moreover, don't forget that Cecil has apparently changed his story along the way, and probably doesn't have voice mail recordings that would support either the original denial of any impropriety or his current version (if reports are accurate that he has admitted "discussing" money).
Rogers may not be the most savory character, but in these kinds of cases, none of the characters, from Cecil to Cam to Rogers are exactly pristine. That is how it it with most such activities. So it comes down to whose story is believable. Frankly, so far Rogers and Bell seem fairly credible. Consider also that if they get caught lying to the FBI, they will go to jail. So they have some extra incentive to be careful adn truthful.
This post was edited on 11/18/10 at 4:15 am
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:28 am to Aubie Spr96
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Here's the quote again for the millionth time from Don Jackson (leading NCAA attorney) rendering his opinion on the matter.
It all looks REALLY BAD for Auburn right now
So, explain to me how the "leading NCAA attorney" is saying it looks "REALLY BAD" for Auburn, and yet most Auburn posters on the SEC rant are acting like they're not even worried and it's all BS and made up???
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:32 am to tigerinridgeland
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So it comes down to whose story is believable. Frankly, so far Rogers and Bell seem fairly credible.
So, you're saying we can believe Rogers when he says he never contacted Auburn? We can also believe his statement that this has nothing to do with Auburn. I know I have a horse in this race, but you can't choose to believe part of what Rogers says while ignoring the hell out of anything that exonerates AU
LINK
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:34 am to shel311
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So, explain to me how the "leading NCAA attorney" is saying it looks "REALLY BAD" for Auburn, and yet most Auburn posters on the SEC rant are acting like they're not even worried and it's all BS and made up???
I, for one, am scared shitless. Can I get a link to that quote btw?
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:36 am to michaeldwde
quote:How would you expect the NCAA to handle something like this? Assume Cecil knew but kept his 180,000 dollar scam from his son? If so, then why wouldn't every athlete who wanted to get paid just ask his dad to take care of the money details for him? The whole "Cecil knew but Cam had no knowledge" thing just seems like a pretty obvious loophole that I'm sure the NCAA has an answer for.
So are you saying that anybody that has every asked for ANYTHING from a school
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:38 am to michaeldwde
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So, you're saying we can believe Rogers when he says he never contacted Auburn? We can also believe his statement that this has nothing to do with Auburn. I know I have a horse in this race, but you can't choose to believe part of what Rogers says while ignoring the hell out of anything that exonerates AU
I'll just quote Glassman from the previous page since he said it well:
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Are we the only people posting on this board that understand this? If anyone solicited a payment for his signing, whether money changed hands or not, Cam is ineligible. If he was at Norht Dakota State he would be ineligible
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:39 am to michaeldwde
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I, for one, am scared shitless
Well, regardless of the fine details, every Auburn fan should feel this way. I know I would if this were happening to LSU.
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Can I get a link to that quote btw?
I don't have it. I was just quoting a previous poster who quoted that.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:40 am to ant111
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OHHHH so the bylaw says a tshirt is OK
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but $180,000.00 is tooooooo much...Ok I got it now !! Thanks
Are you really comparing THOSE 2 things???
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:40 am to 500
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How would you expect the NCAA to handle something like this? Assume Cecil knew but kept his 180,000 dollar scam from his son? If so, then why wouldn't every athlete who wanted to get paid just ask his dad to take care of the money details for him? The whole "Cecil knew but Cam had no knowledge" thing just seems like a pretty obvious loophole that I'm sure the NCAA has an answer for.
See Albert Means
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:53 am to michaeldwde
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How would you expect the NCAA to handle something like this? Assume Cecil knew but kept his 180,000 dollar scam from his son? If so, then why wouldn't every athlete who wanted to get paid just ask his dad to take care of the money details for him? The whole "Cecil knew but Cam had no knowledge" thing just seems like a pretty obvious loophole that I'm sure the NCAA has an answer for.
Enter the Means parallel.
Means signed with and played for Alabama out of high school in Memphis. The
NCAA later ruled that two of his high school coaches had shopped Means and that
an Alabama booster had provided extra benefits to those coaches to steer him to Tuscaloosa.
That made Means ineligible - at Alabama. But the NCAA allowed him to transfer
to and play for the University of Memphis, another Division I-A football
program.
Why? Two reasons. The NCAA had no supportable evidence that the high school coaches had pitched Means to Memphis or received any benefits from Memphis. And the NCAA had no supportable evidence that Means or his family had received any of the benefits the Alabama booster provided his high school coaches.
Sound familiar?
And in the Means case Money was given,in this case "EVERYBODY" has said "NO" money was given !!
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