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re: Fulmer Would Have ‘Jumped All Over’ Arkansas Job
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:53 am to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:53 am to TheCheshireHog
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How is this complicated for you? We're not hiring a long term coach here. This was about getting through the season. JLS allows the entire staff, schemes and terminology to stay in place allowing minimal disruption this late in the game. That would not have been the case with Fulmer.
Obviously Fulmer is a better coach than JLS. No one can argue that but for the next 8 months JLS is a better hire.
And if you were telling me you hired Paul Petrino to do that, I would agree. You are telling me that you hired JLS when he has been pretty poor. Someone mentioned the glory days of Phil. You know how far back you have to go to reach the glory days of JLS?
He knows the personnel. I just don't think he is a good coach on game day or game management. You are free to believe JLS is better for this limited purpose. I think you are wrong. :DWI:
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Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
Integrity goes a LONG way.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:54 am to TheCheshireHog
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Obviously Fulmer is a better coach than JLS. No one can argue that but for the next 8 months JLS is a better hire.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:55 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Not much when you're 7-6 every year a few seasons from now
Where the hell do you keep finding this future information? I've looked everywhere on Bloomberg. Is it the same place you found the information that Arkansas would never make a BCS bowl?
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:56 am to therick711
No "Grade A" coach would/will take the job at Arkansas knowing they would have to compete annually with the the Miles, Saban's & Chizit's in their own Division.
They will get a "Grade B" coach and then try to convince everybody he or she was Grade A. Just wait and watch.
The Crow has made the call on this one in advance.
They will get a "Grade B" coach and then try to convince everybody he or she was Grade A. Just wait and watch.
The Crow has made the call on this one in advance.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:56 am to therick711
What is the difference between Paul Petrino and JLS? JLS has actually been on staff for the last 3 years while PP was at Illinois. JLS actually has head coaching experience while PP doesn't. PP is still going to be calling the plays. This move allows him to focus on that solely instead of having to learn how to be a head coach at the same time.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:57 am to therick711
So, we hire Paul Petrino, and instead of just focusing on being the OC, he has to take on HC duties, too.
That was my first instinct, but when you look at the big picture, JL Smith makes more sense than Paul and a helluva lot more sense than bringing in some retread who doesn't know anybody's name.
Its a 10 month contract.
That was my first instinct, but when you look at the big picture, JL Smith makes more sense than Paul and a helluva lot more sense than bringing in some retread who doesn't know anybody's name.
Its a 10 month contract.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 9:59 am to TheCheshireHog
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What is the difference between Paul Petrino and JLS?
Paul doesn't have a proven track record of being mediocre. JLS made his reputation on success at Idaho in the big sky IAA (most recently in 1994), and two great years at Louisville. Find another impressive season. His tenure at MSU was basically running them into the ground. Paul Petrino as an unknown commodity is likely just as good if not better than JLS.
I can't be 100 percent certain on that, but it is just my opinion.
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 10:07 am
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:06 am to therick711
Sure, PP is as good a choice as JLS if you are looking for a real head coach.
In this scenario, we would have to take Paul away from being OC to make him a figurehead HC for one season.
There are a lot of angles in this situation that are unusual. I would have been disappointed with Fulmer, simply because I would have preferred someone on staff to have been promoted instead. Its about trying to keep stability for Wilson and Davis this season, rather than who has a great resume.
In this scenario, we would have to take Paul away from being OC to make him a figurehead HC for one season.
There are a lot of angles in this situation that are unusual. I would have been disappointed with Fulmer, simply because I would have preferred someone on staff to have been promoted instead. Its about trying to keep stability for Wilson and Davis this season, rather than who has a great resume.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:11 am to therick711
Fulmer can't jump. Come on man.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:12 am to gallagherkck
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gallagherkck
I see you laugh, but no doubt Chief would've went back with Fulmer in Arky if Fulmer was offered a 3-4 year contract.
Think about it. Work for a guy you've worked with and are comfortable with for years, escape an incompetent coach on offense, escape fricking nasty arse BR and go to live in one of the most beautiful areas in the country.
And I'm an LSU fan and would leave, so no doubt someone like Chavis with no ties to LSU would bolt.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:12 am to fishwhistler
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Fulmer can't jump. Come on man.
^^chicken dinner.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:17 am to Crow Pie
quote:One of these three does not belong.
they would have to compete annually with the the Miles, Saban's & Chizit's in their own Division.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:28 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
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Where the hell do you keep finding this future information?
Common sense
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Is it the same place you found the information that Arkansas would never make a BCS bowl?
I never said that
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:40 am to Numberwang
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Petrino was #6 in the country.
We can pay more if we need to. We're rich, bitch.
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That really doesn't mean anything. Spurrier is 11th on the list, and USCjr has nowhere near the money big schools have. Its one of the reasons UT was able to get Jay Graham to coach here.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:42 am to therick711
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They certainly do. You are trying to convince me that a guy who, to be generous, has only been average every where he has been, is better than a college HOF'er with a national title to his name. I'm not buying it. If Curly Hallman knows your talent better than Gene Stallings, that doesn't make Hallman better than Stallings.
I take the coach that is willing to take a short-term contract (less than a year), is willing to keep the current staff in tact, knows the players, knows the schemes, and won't meddle with the current system that is in place.
IMO, Fulmer would not have agreed to a 10 month contract, he would have wanted his own coaches, his own offense/defense, etc. Hell, he hasn't coached, prepared a gameplan, or recruited in over 5 yrs.
JLS was the best choice given the horrible timing of Petrino's fiasco.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Is it the same place you found the information that Arkansas would never make a BCS bowl?
Wasn't the general observation/comment that they would never "WIN" a BCS bowl game?
That is my recollection and will need link otherwise.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:46 am to RT1941
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I take the coach that is willing to take a short-term contract (less than a year), is willing to keep the current staff in tact, knows the players, knows the schemes, and won't meddle with the current system that is in place.
IMO, Fulmer would not have agreed to a 10 month contract, he would have wanted his own coaches, his own offense/defense, etc. Hell, he hasn't coached, prepared a gameplan, or recruited in over 5 yrs.
JLS was the best choice given the horrible timing of Petrino's fiasco.
Those are good points, but they are not responsive to what Numberwang said. Here is the context
Tennessee Jed:
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Not an ideal hire by any means whatsoever, but it would have been better than John L Smith.
Numberwang's response:
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I disagree. Fulmer would not have been better than John L. Smith. Smith knows the coaches and players and system already. Fulmer would have spent the first month learning everybody's name. Both are a shite sandwich, but Fulmer is the shite sandwich with fromunda cheese.
Then I said what you quoted. All that out in the open, I stand by what I said. Fulmer > JLS, even in this specific situation.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 10:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Common sense
Common sense said Cam Newton would not win the Heisman and Auburn would have won the national championship in July 2010. Common sense said Bama wouldn't shut out LSU 21-0. Common sense said that no way USCw could stay a good program with the sanctions. This is just football related, you can switch the onus to other things and the skew becomes greater (specifically financial markets).
Keep holding onto your common sense and watch the events that unfold in reality continually shite on it.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 11:00 am to therick711
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Fulmer > JLS, even in this specific situation.
Because of the specific situation Petrino left Arky in, a former HC that has not been in coaching for over 5 yrs and knows nothing about the Arky program is a bad choice.
If Arky was looking at pure coaching potential and program management, then Fulmer would be a better choice than JLS.
Although, I'd honestly hate it if my AD even courted a guy that Tennessee kick to the curb because he drove the UT football team into the gutter his last year. He freaking lost to Wyoming in Neyland --->
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