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Fifty Years Ago Today - Georgia Tech vs Alabama

Posted on 11/18/11 at 6:58 am
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 6:58 am
November 18, 1961:

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The Game

The game was remembered as the starting point of hatred between Alabama and Georgia Tech because of a serious injury followed by an irresponsible action. It was an incident that displayed dirty football by Darwin Holt, a senior linebacker from Alabama. Georgia Tech player Chick Graning was running down field without any opposition, he assumed the play was over and left his guard down. Then Alabama player, Darwin Holt, jumped at Graning, and punched him in the face with his forearm. Holt struck Chick in the face with his left elbow. According to 'Engineering The New South', the full diagnosis, as indicated by the Tech team physician, was: “fracture of facial bones, five missing upper teeth and remaining front teeth broken, fracture of nasal bone, fracture of right maxillary sinus and sinus filled with blood, fracture of bone beneath right eye, cerebral concussion, possible fracture of base of skull.” [2]. The local newspaper and the articles from later in the year published many articles about the dirty football sport in general, especially about the game between Alabama and Georgia Tech. Due to this incident Chick was not able to finish the season for the Yellow Jackets. The Atlanta Constitution ran photos of the "brutalized young Graning lying in his hospital bed with his face smothered in bandages, and the papers called for Holt to be suspended for what was, to them, an obviously late and dirty hit" [3]. There was another reason why this game was very famous around the world. It was Coach Bryant. Despite the violation of sportsmanship, clearly recorded on film and in people's memories, Coach Bryant refused to announce a public apology and did not remove Holt from the team. In January 1962, Coach Dodd described Bryant’s behavior as the "expiration of the contract in 1964". The contract was originally between Georgia Tech and Alabama and agreed on appropriate and clean football games. Furthermore, Dodd's announcement showed that the contract was not important to him anymore because of Coach Bryant's reaction. Subsequently, in that time, "Bryant [had] already earned a reputation as an outlaw school that not only played dirty, but also received in their reputation as a dirty football team" [4]. The Graning incident served to confirm what other people already believed about Coach Bryant's reputation, and that hurt him externally. In fact, even local newspapers in Alabama criticized Bryant's actions. Georgia Tech also announced that Tech would no longer play Alabama, even though years later Tech decided to play against Alabama shortly before Bryant’s death, at that point memories of the incident had subsided.


Tech v. Alabama 1961
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:01 am to
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The Game


Dammit.
Posted by USMC DAWG
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2008
2806 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:16 am to
IIRC, GT and Bama did not play again until 1981 or 1982. Bill Curry beat the Bear that year. Curry made his arse quit...
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38765 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:47 am to
And then there was another game a couple of years later, similar incident, different outcomes...

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19631022&id=zHEsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2ssEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5377,3046103
Posted by USMC DAWG
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2008
2806 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:50 am to
Not to mention the time Bear Bryant got cracked in the head with a liquor bottle walking off the field @ GT.
Posted by DvlsAdvocat
Your Mom's House, AL
Member since Jul 2007
24491 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 7:59 am to
1) Wikipedia is not the best source for historical information.

2) There has been so much legend building around this incident, and I'd like to know what the actual, clear, facts are, instead of the stories we have now, which are clouded by nostalgia and word of mouth. Look no further than the hyperbolic and mythological tales of Bama-USC, and how "Cunningham changes the South"...
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:01 am to
The Graining-Holt deal gave Dodd more ammo to use against Tech's administration in order to get them out of the SEC and into the ranks of the independents. He'd envisioned them as a ND or Penn State of the south. Tech left in '66, it worked alright for a little while when they were still living off Dodd and Bud Carson's names.

But by the late '70's, Tech had fallen completely off a cliff. For all the talk of conference expansion, Tech would've been the most natural fit of all. They have very historic rivalries with Auburn (the Wreck Tech Pajama Parade), Alabama (Dodd v. Bryant), Georgia, and Tennessee.

But noooooo, we got stuck with a bunch of butt hurt military rejects and another group of culturally inferior and tagalong Tigahs.

Good call SEC, gotta get those dollars.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 8:10 am
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:02 am to
That didn't quite work out for Tech like they thought it would, did it?
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:04 am to
quote:

There has been so much legend building around this incident, and I'd like to know what the actual, clear, facts are, instead of the stories we have now, which are clouded by nostalgia and word of mouth. Look no further than the hyperbolic and mythological tales of Bama-USC, and how "Cunningham changes the South"...


The Atlanta Constitution and Atlanta Journal (they were separate then) made this into a far, far bigger deal than it was at the time. They got into a "war of words" of sorts with the Birmingham paper, but used their superior resources, distribution network (remember, "The Atlanta Journal Covers Dixie Like the Dew!"), and large regional profile to turn a mole hill into a mountain. It was a nasty play, but the papers and Dodd turned it into schadenfraude.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:05 am to
agreed. Dodd was a big name in cfb as was Bryant and their bread was buttered by doing his bidding over in Atl.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36812 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:07 am to
it was a freak play. No doubt Graning was hurt badly. But he turned 'just so' similar to Kermit Washington and Rudy Tomjanovich in '77.Bad timing was everything in that. Holt was no chior boy, but it was a freak injury. One thing that illicited so much support for Graning was a few months earlier his new bride was killed in a carwreck on their honeymoon.

Georgia Tech and Alabama did resume playing in 1979 and played each year through the 1984 season. Alabama won in 1979,1980, 1982 and 1983 and Tech won in 1981 and 1984.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22023 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:09 am to
quote:

1) Wikipedia is not the best source for historical information.

2) There has been so much legend building around this incident, and I'd like to know what the actual, clear, facts are, instead of the stories we have now, which are clouded by nostalgia and word of mouth. Look no further than the hyperbolic and mythological tales of Bama-USC, and how "Cunningham changes the South"...


From the Florence (Al) Times, Nov 20, 1961:

Posted by USMC DAWG
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2008
2806 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:10 am to
GT did apply to the SEC for re-admission sometime in the 1970's. The SEC AD's voted with a big F.U.
Posted by smelvis
Member since Nov 2010
2107 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:11 am to
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From the Florence (Al) Times, Nov 20, 1961:


Furman Bisher.

Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:12 am to
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"It is virtally a requirement that any young man who plays football for a Bryant team behave in a most violent manner during the course of battle"




Now there's some unbiased journalism.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36812 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:12 am to
As smart as Georgia Tech and Tulane are portrayed to be leaving the SEC in the mid 1960's with Atlanta and New Orleans all set to get NFL expansion teams was just stupid.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22023 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:15 am to
I met Darwin Holt a few months after this incident. He came across as someone you wouldn't want to mess with.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:22 am to
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blueridgeTiger


You seem to have a special interest in this.
Posted by Silverback
Gumpin' ain't easy
Member since Aug 2011
4365 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:24 am to
SWAGGER
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9537 posts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:24 am to
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Furman Bisher.


Overrated dbag couldn't hold Benny Marshal or Alf Van Hoose's jock strap.

Convenient how the story about Holt apologizing was conveniently overlooked by Tech people.
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