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re: Fastest you have thrown a baseball
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:40 pm to OldSchoolHorn
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:40 pm to OldSchoolHorn
There are more people out there hitting 90 than you think...especially now with the advancements in training.
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I got paid to play the game. I never made the big money. I ran out of talent before I got there.
Greg Maddux was known as a "crafty" pitcher because of the lack of his velocity. The truth is.....when he first hit the Big's he was consistently throwing in the 92-93 range. By the end of his career, he was throwing 86-88.....as a "crafty" pitcher.
Pitchers are getting paid, at even low A, because they can throw the shite out of the ball. 90+ pro's are a dime a dozen.
ETA If you pay any kind of attention to the college game, every school has guys hitting low 90's or above.
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I got paid to play the game. I never made the big money. I ran out of talent before I got there.
Greg Maddux was known as a "crafty" pitcher because of the lack of his velocity. The truth is.....when he first hit the Big's he was consistently throwing in the 92-93 range. By the end of his career, he was throwing 86-88.....as a "crafty" pitcher.
Pitchers are getting paid, at even low A, because they can throw the shite out of the ball. 90+ pro's are a dime a dozen.
ETA If you pay any kind of attention to the college game, every school has guys hitting low 90's or above.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 2:43 pm
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Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:44 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Wild Thing Mitch Williams was topping at 83 during the WS vs Toronto.
bullshite of the highest order. You are saying that a guy went from throwing high 90's, which he did, to throwing low 80's and he stayed in his role as a closer? I will tell you something unequivocally..........there are zero guys pitching in the pro's, at any level, who are topping out in the low 80's. ETA Hell, I would bet money there isn't a college pitcher topping out in the low 80's. A college mid-80's pitcher is a junk pitcher that tries to sneak a fastball by you every now and then.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:21 pm to MrAUTigers
Known Mitch since ‘85.. even the worlds elite struggle to hit & maintain the velocity being discussed here.
As fans we hear top velo vs sit velo & its 2-4 mph off (fast gun measure).. at the peak of their year if not career. There’s a reason for advanced scouting & pitchers that just y’all off the planet (Lincecum).
Throwing a baseball 90+ consistently is insane.. avg Joe hitting 80+ is quite achievement as well.
It’s very similar to the 4.45 40 a guy runs as reported by his high school coach or trainer.. suddenly a 4.73 lasered.
FYI.. are dicks aren’t 8.5” long either.. sorry guys, didn’t mean to ruin y’all day.
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As fans we hear top velo vs sit velo & its 2-4 mph off (fast gun measure).. at the peak of their year if not career. There’s a reason for advanced scouting & pitchers that just y’all off the planet (Lincecum).
Throwing a baseball 90+ consistently is insane.. avg Joe hitting 80+ is quite achievement as well.
It’s very similar to the 4.45 40 a guy runs as reported by his high school coach or trainer.. suddenly a 4.73 lasered.
FYI.. are dicks aren’t 8.5” long either.. sorry guys, didn’t mean to ruin y’all day.
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Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:26 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Known Mitch since ‘85.. even the worlds elite struggle to hit & maintain the velocity being discussed here.
Well, sure. But he didn't go from upper 90's to lower 80's. Do some research on Maddux. He played over 20 years in the Big's and his velocity dropped roughly 6 MPH in that time frame. If your velocity drops too much, you are replaced.
ETA and ask Mitch about the interview he did on why the Blue Jays owned him in that WS. I heard him say he was tipping pitches and didn't know it. Toronto cracked the code.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:56 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Throwing a baseball 90+ consistently is insane..
It is, but there are guys out there blessed enough to do that daily. You act like only unicorns do it.
I did a little research and going to simplify things for you.
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Put on a baseball game and you may feel like pitchers are throwing harder than ever. The radar guns in the ballpark or on the TV scoreboard seem to be constantly lighting up in numbers from the mid to upper 90s, and that seems unusual, right?
You're not seeing things. Pitchers are throwing harder than ever. In the last eight years, the league-average fastball has risen about 1 mile per hour. While that seems minor, it's actually an enormous boost over time. Ask any pitcher who loses a mile off their fastball, and they'll tell you how much easier it is for batters to square up on them at the lower speed.
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But that's not the only interesting way fastball velocity has increased in the last decade. In 2008, there were only 196 triple-digit heaters thrown over the course of a full season. But for each of the last four years, we've seen over 1,000 pitches thrown over 100 mph.
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While more pitches are reaching the triple-digit mark than ever before, the total number of starters able to reach that mark hasn't grown at the same rate. Eighteen pitchers managed it in 2008, and this year, 28 hurlers have accomplished it (with a month to go). That's a 50 percent jump over the past decade -- although, hidden in the middle was a very odd spike in 2015 when that number reached as high as 47 pitchers.
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In the past two decades, pitchers in major league baseball have begun to throw harder and harder. This chart shows the average MLB fastball speed in the past 15 seasons, using data from any pitcher who threw 90 innings or more in a given season.
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On June 21, 2013 in Los Angeles against the Angels, Pirates rookie pitcher Gerrit Cole threw eight pitches reaching at least 100 mph. His 101 mph fastball to Alberto Callaspo, according to ESPN, was the fastest pitch since 2008 by a major-league starter not named Justin Verlander.
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ETA I saw that sports science guy, who used to be on ESPN, do a thing about a 90 MPH fastball. If the batter blinks right as the pitcher releases the pitch, on only a 90 MPH fastball, it is almost in the catchers mitt by the time the blink is over.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:19 pm to MrAUTigers
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Well, sure. But he didn't go from upper 90's to lower 80's
Correct, kind of. You missed one of the key points of my post. Mitch never threw high 90’s & not even close by the time he landed in Philly.
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Do some research on Maddux
I think you meant “revisit”?
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He played over 20 years in the Big's and his velocity dropped roughly 6 MPH in that time frame.
Dropped 10-12 mph. By design. Dropped 15 mph if you believed he was actually throwing mid 90’s his last year in high school.
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If your velocity drops too much, you are replaced.
Absolutely not.. you get replaced when you can’t get hitters out. Velo is not a concern until it pairs up with a dramatic change in results. Fregosi’s defense in riding out Mitch was “I don’t care what our scouts are saying.. he’s getting outs”.
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ETA and ask Mitch about the interview he did on why the Blue Jays owned him in that WS. I heard him say he was tipping pitches and didn't know it. Toronto cracked the code.
Nope. Rickey Henderson was on first, Mitch changed his mechanics & missed his spot by 18” & left it in Carters wheelhouse. It was a fastball & Carter was looking slider down in.. he got what he wanted but by mistake.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:20 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
I have no idea why you are getting down-votes. This was solid commentary. You could throw some serious heat! Just goes to show how elite you have to be to pitch in the MLB.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:21 pm to 3morereps
Not nearly fast enough. Certainly less accurate than fast.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:27 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Correct, kind of. You missed one of the key points of my post. Mitch never threw high 90’s & not even close by the time he landed in Philly.
You may know him, but you know very little about him. I faced him numerous times in the minors. He was known for his velocity as much as for being wild at the exact right time. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is afraid to step in the box with a guy who throws mid-80's. People are terrified to step in the box with a guy who throws in the upper-90's and is known for it getting away from him every now and then.
ETA Btw, in the minors he was a starter.
quote:(they don't say that about guys who throw in the 80's)
Williams was a left-handed pitcher with a tremendous fastball which he often had trouble controlling. H
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This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:38 pm to MrAUTigers
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there are zero guys pitching in the pro's, at any level, who are topping out in the low 80's.
Since I don't follow baseball, currently no knuckleballer out there?
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:42 pm to MoarKilometers
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currently no knuckleballer out there?
Pretty much nobody. I saw one a few years ago, can't remember his name, but that one game is the only time I ever heard his name before or since. Tim Wakefield is the last one, of any substance, that I can think of.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:45 pm to MrAUTigers
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It is, but there are guys out there blessed enough to do that daily. You act like only unicorns do it.
.00005%=Unicorn
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I got paid to play the game. I never made the big money. I ran out of talent before I got there.
Some kids get the trust fund, some get a quarter from Dad for every hit in tee ball.
Congrats big fella.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:50 pm to OldSchoolHorn
You don't follow the game much. It's obvious. Let's take Verlander for instance. He starts out throwing 91-92 in the first. By the third, when he is loose and stretched out, he is hitting 95-99 fastball, after fastball, after fastball until he finishes the game or is taken out. One of his complete games last season, his last pitch was 99 MPH.
The fact you think guys who consistently throw 90's are few and far between tells me you know nothing about the game of baseball.
Hell, the Yankee closer Aroldis Chapman comes in throwing 97-99 and tops 100 often......of course he is basically a one inning guy.
The fact you think guys who consistently throw 90's are few and far between tells me you know nothing about the game of baseball.
Hell, the Yankee closer Aroldis Chapman comes in throwing 97-99 and tops 100 often......of course he is basically a one inning guy.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 10:17 pm to 3morereps
I had my days at subdivision level starter and outfielder Was a semi wild lefty. Threw 85-87 way before it was cool.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 10:58 pm to MrAUTigers
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You don't follow the game much
I’ve bitch slapped everything you’ve stated including “I got paid to play this game”.. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Wtf does any of these other posts have to do with any of the beatings you’ve taken? Too many beers in the softball league apparently took your brain Krusty.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 11:05 pm to MrAUTigers
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The fact you think guys who consistently throw 90's are few and far between tells me you know nothing about the game of baseball.
Herein lies the problem, you have the reading comprehension of an eight year old. Majority of pro baseball pitchers are 90+.. starters are 92-93 avg & the bullpen goes up from there. We all get that.
There are less than 7500 living males in North America & Latin America etc throwing a real 90+ mph fastball. Divide that into 190,000,000 and tell me they aren’t unicorns.
Stf up & go throw a football over a mountain clown.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 3/19/20 at 11:10 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
In the high 70s my best day
Posted on 3/19/20 at 11:16 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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I’ve bitch slapped everything you’ve stated including “I got paid to play this game”.. Stop embarrassing yourself.
You are the one talking about being friends with Mitch and you know absolutely nothing about his game.
I give you this gem from you.......
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Wild Thing Mitch Williams was topping at 83 during the WS vs Toronto.
Ladies and gents, a closer topping out at 83.
Hell, a major league pitcher topping out at 83. :rotflmao: quote:
Wtf does any of these other posts have to do with any of the beatings you’ve taken?
You know nothing about me.
You have proven you know very little about baseball. You are out of your breadth and width when discussing the subject.
Posted on 3/19/20 at 11:18 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Herein lies the problem, you have the reading comprehension of an eight year old. Majority of pro baseball pitchers are 90+.. starters are 92-93 avg & the bullpen goes up from there. We all get that.
You say what?
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As fans we hear top velo vs sit velo & its 2-4 mph off (fast gun measure).. at the peak of their year if not career. There’s a reason for advanced scouting & pitchers that just y’all off the planet (Lincecum).
Throwing a baseball 90+ consistently is insane.. avg Joe hitting 80+ is quite achievement as well.
It’s very similar to the 4.45 40 a guy runs as reported by his high school coach or trainer.. suddenly a 4.73 lasered.
here is another one of your gems......
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There are less than 7500 living males in North America & Latin America etc throwing a real 90+ mph fastball. Divide that into 190,000,000 and tell me they aren’t unicorns.
You do realize what a unicorn is, right?
when you have close to 7500 people who can do something.........that's not a unicorn.
A Nolan Ryan isn't even a unicorn anymore.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 3/20/20 at 12:00 am to MrAUTigers
I'd say probably mid 60's.
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