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SummerOfGeorge
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So you're saying those teams shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt because of the conference they're playing in.


I'm not sure which group you are talking about, the bad SEC team or the good G5 team. I'll answer both.

Yes, those G5 teams proved that the best teams in a G5 conference are just as good as bad/middling teams in a P5 conference.

Yes, those SEC teams proved bad SEC teams would not win G5 conferences.

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They should also probably do things like go undefeated for two consecutive years.


They should probably not have to tout 4-8 Maryland or 7-6 Pitt as their biggest OOC regular season game played during those 2 years.

If the playoffs existed when Boise was going 13-0 and playing Top 20 P5 teams OOC, I'd have been totally ok with them. I don't think you get to play in the AAC and not play anyone out of conference AND still get in.

People are saying Notre Dame should be left out with a SOS of 42, yet it's unfair for UCF to get left out with a SOS of 90? People want UCF to be treated like a big boy but then want to praise them for things like beating 7-6 Pitt. You can't have it both ways.
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Yes, those G5 teams proved that the best teams in a G5 conference are just as good as bad/middling teams in a P5 conference.

Yes, those SEC teams proved bad SEC teams would not win G5 conferences.


Some of them beat a team that last year's *champion didn't, a team that last year's SEC champion needed two tries to beat.

Some of them won 5 games, including the SEC win.

Some of them were runners-up in their FCS conference.

Some of them finished 6-6 and didn't play in a bowl game.

So, let's not act like all of those teams were the "best of the G5."

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They should probably not have to tout 4-8 Maryland or 7-6 Pitt as their biggest OOC game played during those 2 years.


Or 6-6 Florida State and 2-10 Louisville.


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Some of them beat a team that last year's *champion didn't, a team that last year's SEC champion needed two tries to beat.

Some of them won 5 games, including the SEC win.

Some of them were runners-up in their FCS conference.

Some of them finished 6-6 and didn't play in a bowl game.

So, let's not act like all of those teams were the "best of the G5."


Your argument that a G5 team can beat a P5 team........yea, obviously. You can pick and chose 1 game here and 1 game there all you want, you and me both know that the overwhelming data proves what everyone knows and stats know..........the G5 has 2-3 teams every year that are very good, probably could compete in a good P5 league. The rest of the teams are either above average or bad.

That's why one of the 2-3 very good teams needs to play very good P5 teams in their non-conference. Because they don't play teams on the same level as very good P5 teams in their actual conference. This is not a difficult concept, and you are a smart guy, so I know you understand it.

UCF's best wins this season (Memphis 2x) lost to Missouri by 30. Their next best win (Cincinnati) beat 3-9 UCLA by 9 and after that.......South Florida.


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Or 6-6 Florida State and 2-10 Louisville.



Yea, agree, if Alabama's best conference game was Memphis and our OOC schedule ended up being a 2-10 team and a 6-6 team.........we'd probably have a SOS of 90 and not deserve to be in.

Our best conference games weren't Memphis though, so, I think you know that.
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Our AD Danny White is on record saying P5 games are easier for UCF the last 2 years than our in conference games. Food for thought.



Well then he's a dumbass, or you grossly misunderstood what he said.


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Your argument that a G5 team can beat a P5 team........yea, obviously. You can pick and chose 1 game here and 1 game there all you want, you and me both know that the overwhelming data proves what everyone knows and stats know..........the G5 has 2-3 teams every year that are very good, probably could compete in a good P5 league. The rest of the teams are either above average or bad.



My argument is that UCF should have been in the playoff if Notre Dame is in the playoff. The counterpoint to that is "they don't play anyone." That's demonstrably false, and that's been shown.

Really, you're making my points for me. UCF can win. "They don't play in a P5" is a silly reason to keep them out, especially when you consider the relative weakness of so many of these P5 teams.

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That's why one of the 2-3 very good teams needs to play very good P5 teams in their non-conference. Because they don't play teams on the same level as very good P5 teams in their actual conference. This is not a difficult concept, and you are a smart guy, so I know you understand it.


They can only play the schedule they're given. Notre Dame is in because they went undefeated, and that's about it. UCF should be, too.

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Yea, agree, if Alabama's best conference game was Memphis and our OOC schedule ended up being a 2-10 team and a 6-6 team.........we'd probably have a SOS of 90 and not deserve to be in.

Our best conference games weren't Memphis though, so, I think you know that.


Your best conference game was...who?


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It definitely needs to be re-evaluated to ensure teams like UGA, OSU and UCF got a shot this year. To add the 8th team, throw in michigan. This could have been a damn good tournament


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Your best conference game was...who?



The team that almost made the playoffs? The team that beat the Pac12 champ? The team that went 9-3? The team that barely lost to Clemson? The team that beat Memphis by 30?

I dunno, take your pick. I'm sure somehow they are all about the same as Memphis and South Florida.


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Your best conference game was...


Better than anyone UCF played


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It definitely needs to be re-evaluated to ensure teams like UGA, OSU and UCF got a shot this year.


One of these is not like the other.


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DisplacedBuckeye


Look - I do think it's unfair that a team in what is the best or co-best non-P5 league can win 25 straight games and not get in the playoff. That stinks, and I think it is pretty unfair in general. It makes the case pretty clear that unless you schedule a game with a really good P5 team (which is hard, because they don't want to) who is in a good year (also a flip of the coin), you have zero shot at getting in. And, we don't even know if the above scenario gets you in.

They either need to split the FBS or somehow find a way to ensure that a situation like that means a team gets a shot to win a national title.

I agree with that.
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DisplacedBuckeye
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The team that almost made the playoffs?


Almost...

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Pac12 champ




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9-3




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barely lost




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The team that beat Memphis by 30?


UCF beat them twice.


DisplacedBuckeye
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Look - I do think it's unfair that a team in what is the best or co-best non-P5 league can win 25 straight games and not get in the playoff. That stinks, and I think it is pretty unfair in general.

They either need to split the FBS or somehow find a way to ensure that a situation like that means a team gets a shot to win a national title.

I agree with that.




Then why are you arguing with me using subjectivity?


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Then why are you arguing with me using subjectivity?



Because I think the general premise is unfair, but I don't think UCF deserved to be in the playoffs in 2018 based on the current format and the resumes.



DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't think


That's fine, but it's extremely subjective. What you can say objectively is that there are four spots and four undefeated FBS teams.


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There is no search for Urban’s follower, gumptard. As you are a self-proclaimed side walk fan of Bama, you have no self-interest in how Bama does in the playoff. It literally means nothing to you because you have no emotional attachments to the school. So GTFO with your masturbation to Saban’s pictures.


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re: Fair question for SEC fans:
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My argument is that UCF should have been in the playoff if Notre Dame is in the playoff. The counterpoint to that is "they don't play anyone." That's demonstrably false, and that's been shown.


The correct answer is that neither of them belong in the playoff. Notre Dame is only in because of their name. As for it being demonstrably false that UCF hasn't played anyone, I need you to demonstrate it. UCF would be a four loss team playing an SEC schedule.

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Your best conference game was...who?


Since that was directed at an Alabama guy, let's examine:

A&M
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Tennessee
Missouri
Georgia

At least six of these teams would go undefeated with UCF's schedule. That point is not even debatable. All of them would be bowl eligible.

One of the teams on that list beat UCF's toughest opponent by 32 points, for cripes sake.
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Do y’all believe the 4 team “playoff” is fair and equitable for all stakeholders or does it need to be fixed? I’ll hang up and listen.


What's fair got to do with it? Equitable to whom?

You have to remember how we got to this system. This is the big conferences, who have the tie ins with the big bowls, setting up a playoff system of their own, rather than an NCAA sponsored championship, in which they have deigned to throw some crumbs at the little fish in order to keep the politicians at bay.

If you really wanted a different system that was "fair and equitable" to all Division I FBS schools, you'd have to scrap the bowl system, and go to a playoff that mirrored the basketball tournament (albeit with fewer teams). The main problem with an NCAA playoff is that the big boys wouldn't stand for it because they would lose control over the money--money which their fans generate, not the fans of the little fish. How is it equitable for the big boys to take less when they generate all the money in the first place?

As to fairness, it would be impossible, in football, to really give everyone a chance because even at 16, you wouldn't want to give every one of the 11 FBS conference champions a slot in the tournament. If we had a playoff system where conference champions of every conference were guaranteed a place, the Sunbelt schools could stop playing the big boys and simply divide up their share of the NCAA playoff pot, and probably make as much as they do from "buy" games, and we'd then be treated to a first round of playoff games featuring games like Bama hosting App State and Clemson hosting Buffalo. If we go to 8, then either we don't go to auto bids for anyone (and have the same committee discussions over who are the 8 best) or we give auto bids to some conferences but not others.

Bottom line: Fairness is impossible, and there's nothing in equitable about the current system given who generates the money.


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Gumps dickriding Purdue. What a year.


It is weird. Purdue was really good this year. They almost beat Mizzou at home.


SummerOfGeorge
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That's fine, but it's extremely subjective. What you can say objectively is that there are four spots and four undefeated FBS teams.



That's fine, but if I see that happen and I'm Arkansas State or Appalachian State I'm scheduling Lenoir Ryhne, Mars Hills, Richmond and Tennessee State OOC next year.


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The correct answer is that neither of them belong in the playoff.


That's an opinion. I happen to agree with it, but it's still an opinion.

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As for it being demonstrably false that UCF hasn't played anyone, I need you to demonstrate it.


UCF is 25-0 in their last 25 games. They've played 25 someones.

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UCF would be a four loss team playing an SEC schedule.


This statement has no value.

Alabama would be 0-12 in the AAC.

See?

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would


Yeah, but they didn't. None of them could even win their conference. Only one of them did anything of note this season.

So again...back to subjectivity, and that only carries the value we assign to it.


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